Line Combo Bet

[atlantis]

Thanks twister. I did a longer test with these SLC numbers from Fraudster...

SLCasino numbers:

[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
3,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
4,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
5,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
6,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
7,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
8,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,494,
9,19,Bet,4,12,-4,8,502,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
10,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
11,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
12,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
13,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
14,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
15,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
16,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
17,6,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
18,6,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,490,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
19,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,490,
20,34,Bet,4,12,-4,8,498,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
21,12,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
22,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,494,
23,28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,490,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
24,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,486,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
25,18,Bet,6,18,-6,12,498,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
26,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
27,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,490,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
28,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,490,
29,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,490,
30,22,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,484,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
31,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,484,
32,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,484,
33,14,Bet,6,18,-6,12,496,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
34,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,492,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
35,33,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,486,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
36,22,Bet,6,18,-6,12,498,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
37,5,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,494,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
38,27,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,488,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
39,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
40,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
41,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
42,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
43,3,Bet,6,18,-6,12,500,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
44,36,Bet,4,12,-4,8,508,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
45,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
46,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
47,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
48,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
49,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
50,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502,
51,2,Bet,4,12,-4,8,510,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
52,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
53,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
54,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
55,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,500,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
56,4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
57,33,Bet,4,12,-4,8,508,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
58,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
59,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
60,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
61,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
62,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
63,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
64,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
65,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
66,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
67,2,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,510,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
68,15,Bet,4,12,-4,8,518,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
69,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
70,5,Bet,4,12,-4,8,524,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
71,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,522,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
72,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
73,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
74,26,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,514,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
75,14,Bet,4,12,-4,8,522,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
76,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
77,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,520,
78,22,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,516,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
79,5,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,512,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
80,35,Bet,4,12,-4,8,520,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
81,29,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,516,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
82,32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,512,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
83,23,Bet,4,12,-4,8,520,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
84,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,516,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
85,36,Bet,4,12,-4,8,524,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
86,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,522,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
87,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
88,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,524,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
89,20,Bet,2,6,-2,4,528,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
90,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,526,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
91,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,530,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
92,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,528,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
93,20,Bet,2,6,-2,4,532,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
94,31,Bet,2,6,-2,4,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
95,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,534,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
96,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,534,
97,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,538,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
98,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
99,35,Bet,2,6,-2,4,540,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
100,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,538,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
101,17,Bet,2,6,-2,4,542,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
102,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,540,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
103,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,538,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
104,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
105,15,Bet,4,12,-4,8,544,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
106,6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,548,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
107,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,552,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
108,23,Bet,2,6,-2,4,556,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
109,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,554,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
110,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,558,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
111,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,556,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
112,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,554,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
113,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
114,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
115,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,552,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
116,35,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,548,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
117,3,Bet,4,12,-4,8,556,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
118,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,554,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
119,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
120,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
121,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,550,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
122,18,Bet,4,12,-4,8,558,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
123,5,Bet,2,6,-2,4,562,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
124,31,Bet,2,6,-2,4,566,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
125,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,564,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
126,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,564,
127,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,564,
128,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,562,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
129,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,562,
130,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,566,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
131,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,564,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
132,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,562,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
133,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,562,
134,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,562,
135,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,560,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
136,21,Bet,4,12,-4,8,568,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
137,36,Bet,2,6,-2,4,572,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
138,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,570,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
139,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,570,
140,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,568,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
141,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,568,
142,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,568,
143,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,566,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
144,33,Bet,4,12,-4,8,574,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
145,9,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,572,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
146,34,Bet,2,6,-2,4,576,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
147,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,580,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
148,0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,578,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
149,16,Bet,2,6,-2,4,582,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
150,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,580,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
151,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,580,
152,10,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,578,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
153,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,576,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
154,35,Bet,4,12,-4,8,584,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
155,4,Bet,2,6,-2,4,588,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
156,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,586,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
157,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,586,
158,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,584,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
159,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,584,
[/table]

Stopped here due to lack of time.

+84 in 159 spins
Highest Bet = 3

A.

[warrior]

GREAT JOB ATLANTIS im still not cleare on your progression thanks W.

[buffalowizard]

Really good stuff A.
Damn impressive results so far.
I'll test when I can get a moment mate.

BW

[atlantis]

GREAT JOB ATLANTIS I'm still not cleare on your progression thanks W.

Hi Warrior,

Progression I am using:

111,222,333,444 etc... etc..

On a win count back 2 stages in the line and restart from there. UNLESS level or ahead to current highest bank in which case reset to the beginning of string...

Forward 1 step on a loss, back 2 steps on a win.

e.g.: If  won 1st bet of 3, next bet will be 2nd bet of 2 - that is to say 2 units on EACH appropriate line

A.

[warrior]

 OK GOT IT THANX BUD.

[Twisteruk]

OK GOT IT thanks BUD.

Ohhhhhhhhh  

I've been doin it wrong  

I thought when you said -2 on a win = IF I was on 3 Units I go back to 1 Unit OR if I was on 4 Units I go back to 2 Units !!

I now see 111 222 333 444 555 etc etc as a string you move along !

Much better  

[GreatOne]

Hi all,

I am fortunate enough to be within a 30 minute drive from my local casino.    The casino offers single 0, double 00 and air ball double 00 roulette.    Clearly, I play the single 0 roulette.    With that in mind, I played 145 spins with the line combo bet.    I made 68 units with the progression of up 1 following 2 losses and down 1 on a win with resetting at level or higher high.    I then ran those same spins with a flat bet strategy:  result of +20.    Those same spins with the 111, 222, 333, etc progression gave me +26 units.    I was a bit surprised it being a tad lower than the other progression.   There was however two runs of 11 losses and one of 9 losses.  But over all this strategy is a definite keeper.    Great work A.    Thanks for sharing your efforts and insights with the rest of us. 

Gerry

[Twisteruk]

Hi all,

I am fortunate enough to be within a 30 minute drive from my local casino.    The casino offers single 0, double 00 and air ball double 00 roulette.    Clearly, I play the single 0 roulette.    With that in mind, I played 145 spins with the line combo bet.    I made 68 units with the progression of up 1 following 2 losses and down 1 on a win with resetting at level or higher high.    I then ran those same spins with a flat bet strategy:  result of +20.    Those same spins with the 111, 222, 333, etc progression gave me +26 units.    I was a bit surprised it being a tad lower than the other progression.   There was however two runs of 11 losses and one of 9 losses.  But over all this strategy is a definite keeper.    Great work A.    Thanks for sharing your efforts and insights with the rest of us. 

Gerry

+1 on LL ?

I shall give that a try Gerry 

[GLC]

Hey Guys,

The progression  Atlantis is  using is also called the Penthouse progression.  I think if you search for Penthouse in the forum, you can find a farily clear definition of it.

I don't have time to list out the remainder of my session last night, so here is a summary.

Won +8 units in 35 spins.
Highest bet was 10 ( two 5 unit bets).
Lowest drawdown was -56 units.
Took 20 spins to get -56 and only 8 spins to come out to +2.  Great recovery.

This is another of those systems where I'm scratching my head trying to determine why this should work any better than any other dozens system.

We all know that it can have a spin sequence where it goes very deep in the negative, so be sure and have a personal stop loss.

LOL,

George

[GreatOne]

George,

Much like your game, in the 145 spins and using the 111, 222, 333 etc progression, I noted that it went up +54 then dropped to -10, so a negative movement of 64 units, but recovered to come up +40 then again dropped to -16, a negative movement of 56 units, to finally end up at +26 units.   The progression which gave me the +68 units had the similar ups and downs of equal amplitude.     Clearly, I did have an emotional "roller coaster" ride.   Nonetheless, a recovery to end up in the positive.

As noted, I had twice 11 losses and one of 9.   Would these be typical of betting on traditional dozens?  The bet selection comes from the EC's of R/B and O/E which is not dozen wagering.

Food for thought.

Gerry
 

[GLC]

Gerry,

If you remember THE ZONE by Fender1000,  his system occassionally had 12 or more losses in a row.  The difference with his is that there was a longer period of No Bets than with this system, so the losses weren't in consecutive spins.

If you play the dozens for repeats, which is just another way of selecting a dozen to bet on, you very often have 11 or more losses in a row.

If you pick a dozen and play only that dozen, it sleeps occassionally more than 11 times in a row.

So I would think that 11 or even more losses in a row are to be expected even with this system.  The challenge is to have a betting strategy that can recover in the majority of these cases.  And of course, stay ahead of the occassion loss.

I suppose if you had a stop-loss of 1000 units and your win target was 100 units, you might be lucky enough to never hit your stop-loss in this lifetime.  On the other hand you could be unlucky and hit it twice in a row.  (Very, very unlikly I admit)

So far I think it's stable enough that it might be worth risking 1000 units for 100.  Okay, maybe it's a little premature for this statement.

One good thing about the penthouse progression is that you can make it more aggressive by going to 1-1,2-2,3-3 or even 1,2,3.  

Or, more conservative by going to 1-1-1-1-,2-2-2-2,3-3-3-3 or 5 steps or more.  The further you go in the conservative direction the closer you get to a flat bet.

And the classic single dozen martingale is 1-1-2-3-4-6-9-14-21-31-47-70 etc...  This gives you a higher total after any win.
Regards,

George

[GLC]

I don't know if we can improve on this basic concept that Atlantis has presented.  It has a very high hit rate with good potential. 

I'm sure that if you programmed it and ran it through a million spins, it would probably lose like all systems seem to.  But, since we aren't going to play a million spins, ...

I was just thinking, for those who prefer to play double dozen bets, this system is easily adapted to dozens. 

If you spin a BO or RE, Dbl Streets 1 and 4 fall in dozens 1 & 2, so we could bet them and cover 2/3 of the board.

If you spin a BE or RO, dbl streets 3 & 6 fall in dozens 2 and 3, so we could bet them. 

We could bet plus 1 on a loss and -1 on 2 wins or some variation thereof.

We have to be careful though because this tweak may lose the edge Atlantis' trigger system gives us.

Cheers,

G

[Twisteruk]

Further Test Results !


I know its a small sample, but I test manually usin a Real Wheel.

I chose to use  11 22 33 44 55 etc Progression, +1 after LL -1 after W

Here is what happened !

1
2 L -4
26 L -8
5 NB
2 L -16
13 W 0
18 L -8
19 W +8
14 W +16
20 W +24
34 W +32
18 L +28
20 NB
12 L +24
30 L +16
33 NB
1 W +32
32 W +40
5 W +48
5 L +44
26 NB
30 Miss due to Lag
18 L +40
33 W +56
21 L +52
9 NB
25 NB
1 NB
18 W +60
21 L +56
28 W +64
35 L +60
12 W +68
21 W +76
17 L +72
0
28 L +68
27 L +60
15 W +76
5 W +92
35 W +100


41 Spins

+100 Units


Stopped at +100 as thats me done in a Session  

[atlantis]

George,
Much like your game, in the 145 spins and using the 111, 222, 333 etc progression, I noted that it went up +54 then dropped to -10, so a negative movement of 64 units, but recovered to come up +40 then again dropped to -16, a negative movement of 56 units, to finally end up at +26 units.   The progression which gave me the +68 units had the similar ups and downs of equal amplitude.     Clearly, I did have an emotional "roller coaster" ride.   Nonetheless, a recovery to end up in the positive.
As noted, I had twice 11 losses and one of 9.   Would these be typical of betting on traditional dozens?  The bet selection comes from the EC's of R/B and O/E which is not dozen wagering. 

At last I have experienced the rollercoaster effect to an appreciable degree!

Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 17 SEP 2010; Table 9

Session starts off badly and at Spin 31 is at -44, but by spin 61 has now recovered to +22.
(would have quit earlier!)
Continuing to see what occurs a bad run manifests and at Spin 137 the bank stands at
-116.... but by Spin 152 has again recovered to +22.
Highest Bet was 2x8u


Good to see you had a nice session +100 @Twister


@GLC. Thanks for your contributions and alternative ideas.

A.

[GLC]

At last I have experienced the rollercoaster effect to an appreciable degree!

Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 17 SEP 2010; Table 9

Session starts off badly and at Spin 31 is at -44, but by spin 61 has now recovered to +22.
(would have quit earlier!)
Continuing to see what occurs a bad run manifests and at Spin 137 the bank stands at
-116.... but by Spin 152 has again recovered to +22.
Highest Bet was 2x8u


Good to see you had a nice session +100 @Twister


@GLC. Thanks for your contributions and alternative ideas.

A.

A,

The way this thing recovers is pretty exciting.  I see we haven't even gotten close to losing 1000 units.

G.