Line Combo Bet

[Twisteruk]

@George

I too share that opinion.

I found 11 22 33 44 55 very good, but I accept its early days in the world of testing

Im not a great believer in the "million spins test", I wont ever play 1 million lol

Im happy to test it for around 1000 personal spins and if it gives me the feel of fun and has potential to end in a + situ then Im happy to put 1000 Units behind it and go for it ! 

[atlantis]

Guys, thinking out loud here...

Same selection rules as before.

A more riskier approach.

Double Streets Progression

11111 222 33 4 5 6 7 8 10 12 14 17 21
25 30 36 43 52 62 74 88 107 (255 units)

The above 29-step string could maybe be used for EACH PART of the line combo
Would mean 2 banks of 255 required. A win on any side means that particular prog. string is reset to 1 on that side...

However if level or in profit overall - BOTH strings reset.

The lines 1-6 and 13-18 would have its own string
The lines 19-24  and 31-36 would have its own string.

Regards,

A.

[Twisteruk]

Guys, thinking out loud here...

Same selection rules as before.

A more riskier approach.

Double Streets Progression

11111 222 33 4 5 6 7 8 10 12 14 17 21
25 30 36 43 52 62 74 88 107 (255 units)

The above 29-step string could maybe be used for EACH PART of the line combo
Would mean 2 banks of 255 required. A win on any side means that particular prog. string is reset to 1 on that side...

However if level or in profit overall - BOTH strings reset.

The lines 1-6 and 13-18 would have its own string
The lines 19-24  and 31-36 would have its own string.


Regards,

A.

atlantis

I think 2 strings is a good idea

I will try it first using 11 22 33 44 55 etc etc

Gonna resume testing today  

[atlantis]

I tried the 255u prog on that bad session from 17 Sep.
It's not good. One side can fail to show for more than 29 times. Here is the proof. Played only this one session to see if progression fails. It does. Disappointing, I know - especially since it reaches a high of +85 at one point.
I know I made a slight mistake in the chart but it makes no difference to the losing string at the end... At least we know now and can discount it!

11111 222 33 4 5 6 7 8 10 12 14 17 21
25 30 36 43 52 62 74 88 107 (255 units)


#      L1,4      L3,6     +/-
===================  
27
28     -1          -1        -2
36     -1          +5      +2 *reset
======================
7       -1          -1       +1
21     -1          -1        -1
13     nb
33     -1          -1        -3      
12     -1          -1        -5
6       +5         -1        -1
       ===
25      -1         -2        -4
11      -1         -2        -7
36      -1         -2        -10
35      -1         -3        -14
29      -1         -3        -18
23      -2         +20      +0
                   ====
5       -2          -1        -3
13     +10        -1       +6 *reset
===================
15     -1            -1      +4
7      nb
20    -1             -1      +2
29    -1             -1      +0
22    -1            +4      +3
                    ====
31    -1            +5      +7 *reset
=======================
33    -1            -1       +5
35    -1            -1       +3
14    nb
32    -1            -1        +1
26    -1            -1        -1
24    -1            +5      +3
                    ===
19   -2              -1       +0
8     -2              -1       -3
32   +10           -1       +6
3    +5              -1       +10 *reset
=======================
23   -1              -1       +8                
35   -1              +5      +12 *reset
========================
16   -1              -1       +10
21   -1              +5      +14 *reset
========================
25   -1              -1       +12
33   nb
30   -1              -1       +10
23   -1              +5      +14 *reset
========================
33   -1              +5      +18 *reset
========================
21   -1              +5      +22 *reset
========================
31   -1              +5      +26 *reset
========================
27   -1              -1       +24
0     -1              -1       +22
4     +5             -1       +26 *reset
=========================
7     -1              -1       +24
23   -1              -1       +22
11   nb
5     +5             -1       +26 *reset
=========================
2    -1              -1        +24
2    -1              -1        +22
21   nb
18  +5              -1       +26 *reset
=========================
36   -1              -1       +24
12  nb
31   -1              -1       +22
19   -1              -1       +20
33   -1             +5       +24
                    ===
1    +5             -1        +28 *reset
=========================
3    -1              -1        +26
3    nb
20  -1              -1         +24
6    -1              -1         +22
8    -1              -1         +20
28   nb
6     nb
21   nb
25   -1              -1         +18
4     nb
11   -2              -2         +14
5    +10            -2         +22
   ====
28   -1              -2         +19
4    +5              -3         +21
   ====
30   -1               -3         +17
15   -1               -4         +12
36   -1               -5         +6
24   -1              +30       +35 *reset
==========================
28   -1               -1         +33
18   nb
12   -1               -1         +31
9     -1               -1         +29
10   -1               -1         +27
6     -1               -1         +25
22   nb
35   -2               +10       +33
                      ====
30   -2               -1          +30
35   -2               -1          +27
32   -3               -1          +23
15   -3               -1          +19  
28   -4               -1          +14
9     -5               -2          +7
14   +30             -2          +35 *reset
===========================
7     -1               -1          +33
34   -1               +5          +37 *reset
===========================
20   -1               +5         +41 *reset
===========================
13  +5                -1         +44 *reset
===========================
27   -1                -1         +42
26   -1                -1         +40
30   -1                -1         +38
27   -1                -1         +36
33   +5               -1         +40
     ===
35    -1               -2          +37
23   nb
7     -1                -2          +34
36   -1                +10        +45 *reset
===========================
10   -1                 -1          +43
23   -1                 -1          +41
20   -1                 -1          +39
1     -1                 -1          +37
33   -1                 +5          +41
                        ===
33   -2                 -1           +38
22   nb
30   -2                 -1           +35
24   -2                 +5          +38
                        ===
13   +15               -1           +52 *reset
============================
33   -1                 -1            +50
16   -1                 -1            +48
1     +5                -1            +52 *reset
============================
0     -1                 -1            +50
21   -1                  -1           +48
34   nb
24   -1                  +5          +52 *reset
============================
9    -1                   -1           +50
12   -1                  -1            +48  
30   -1                  -1            +46
25   nb
20    -1                  -1           +44
3      -1                  -1           +42
0      -2                  -2           +38
30    -2                  -2           +34
29    -2                  -2           +30
25    -3                  -3           +24
21    -3                  -3           +18
5      nb
21    -4                   -4           +10
11    -5                   -5           +0
15    -6                   -6            -12
15    nb  
2      nb
16    +35                -7            +16
      ===
29    -1                   -8            +7
16    -1                   -10          -5
20    -1                   +60         +54 *reset
==============================
15    -1                    -1           +52
36    -1                    -1           +50
3     +5                    -1           +54 *reset
==============================
32    -1                    +5          +58 *reset
==============================
33    -1                    -1           +56
5      +5                   -1           +60 *reset
==============================
13    +5                   -1           +64 *reset
==============================
17    -1                     -1           +62
22    nb
16    +5                    -1           +66 *reset
===============================
26    -1                     -1           +64
36   +5                     -1           +78 *reset
===============================
26   -1                      -1            +76
19   -1                      -1            +74
3     -1                      -1            +72
16   nb
24   -1                      +5           +76
                              ===
9     -1                       -1           +74
27   -2                       -1           +71
13   nb
14   -2                       -1            +68    
16   -2                       -1            +65
34   nb
11   nb
16   -3                        -1           +61
17   -3                        -2           +56
35   -4                        -2           +50
25   -5                        -2           +43
25   -6                        -3           +34
29   nb
5     +35                     -3            +66
     ===
12    -1                       -4             +61
24    -1                       +25          +85 *reset
================================
4      -1                        -1            +83
11    nb
14    -1                        -1            +81
17    -1                        -1            +79  
1     +5                        -1            +83
      ===
23    -1                         -1            +81
33    nb
0      -1                         -2            +78
33     -1                        -2            +75
34    nb
17    -1                          -2           +72
11    -1                         -3            +68
15    nb
19    -2                         -3            +63
25    -2                         -4            +57
4     nb
13    +10                      -5            +62
      ===
3     +5                         -6            +61
      ===
11    -1                         -7             +55
1     +5                         -8             +52
      ===
30    -1                         -10            +43
29    -1                         -12            +30
24    -1                         -14            +15
17    +5                        -17            +3
      ===
36    -1                          -21            -19
30    -1                          -25            -45
33    -1                          -30            -76
3      +5                         -36            -117
      ===
23    -1                          -43            -161
12    nb
1     +5                          -52            -208
      ===
22    -1                          -62            -271
30    -1                          -74            -346
10    -1                          -88            -435
22    -1                          -105          -541

=======BUST===================


So back to the original way for now until better idea. I think it much safer, better way to play the original with 111,222,333 etc without separate sides/banks as before this latest experiment. (I also think I sorta found that out earlier on page 1 this thread)
One "safeguard" during play could be to stop and wait for virtual win after a predetermined number of L's, but I don't really know. Open to ideas.


A.

[Twisteruk]

I was also going to post a similiar response 

Two lines didnt work, and I had to leave the game

I was betting 2x6Units then betting 2x1Unit, before going bust.

Just doin another session now usin original system, but with 11 22 33 44 55 etc


Will update later 

[Twisteruk]

HELL SESSION WITH AWESOME COMEBACK

Ok just finished a session, took about 1.5hrs (ish)

At one point I was almost out at -100

Check out the comeback !

Here is what happened usin 11 22 33 44 55 66 etc 


29
17 L -4
25 NB
26 L -12
23 L -20
1 L -32
5 NB
14 W -8
21 L -20
21 NB
1 NB
11 L -32
25 W 0
16 L -12
11 L -28
34 L -44
7 L -64
23 NB
31 L -84 * Almost out here !
18 W -36
20 L -56
4 NB
20 NB
24 NB
31 W -8
6 L -28
21 W +12
16 W +44
2 W +76
17 L +64
12 W +96
23 L +84
0 L +68
25 NB
19 NB
19 NB
17 L +60
30 L +48
28 W +80
33 W +112

I always quit around -100/+100 

[atlantis]

Hi twister,

It seems you are using a 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc progression...

If using 11,22,33,44,55,66 etc.. you would be be betting 2 x 1u TWICE so after your first bet you would be only -2 and not -4 (unless you started betting both lines @ 2u each?)
After your second bet you would be -4 and not -12?
It seems like you're playing it differently!
Also I noticed some times when you seemed to be betting the wrong lines.
e.g.:

29
17 L -4
25 NB
26 L -12
23 L -20
1 L -32
5 NB
14 W -8  
21 L -20
21 NB       *** should have bet here
1 NB
11 L -32
25 W 0      ** would have been loss - we never bet this line.
16 L -12  
11 L -28
34 L -44
7 L -64
23 NB  ** should have bet here
31 L -84 * Almost out here ! ** should be no bet
18 W -36   ** should have been loser here
20 L -56
4 NB  ** loser here
20 NB
24 NB
31 W -8 ** loser here
6 L -28  ** should have been win here on line 1
21 W +12  **should be loser
16 W +44   **should be loser
2 W +76
17 L +64 ** should be winner
12 W +96 ** should be loser - we never bet this line!
23 L +84 ** should be winner
0 L +68
25 NB **should be loser
19 NB
19 NB
17 L +60 ** should be no bet
30 L +48
28 W +80 ** should be loser - we never bet this line!

You must be following different selection rules!

A.

[A3on]

Why so much importance to a progression?

Why don't you guys try it flat bet, and see if it really have a good bet selection?
I will do that now and post here the results

[Fripper]

Hi Atlantis and thanks for sharing.

I tested this with flatbet only on both RNG spins and Real spins.

Wiesbaden numbers: -30 units in 243 spins
RNG numbers: +20 units in 300 spins.

As you can see it goes up and down, so we need to take advantage of the upswing. Lowest point was -46 with real spins and -30 with RNG spins.

Fripper

[Twisteruk]

Atlantis

I think My results are 1 line out of sync with the numbers, my mistake when I typed it.....sorry  

Yep I was playing 1 Unit on 4 lines

Sorry for the tardy results

My only excuse is I live in a busy house and must of got distracted !

/ gives self 0/10 and must try harder !

[atlantis]

@twister
Thanks for clearing up the mystery, mate.

Here is another session played with my recommended progression:

Casino Wiesbaden 18 SEP 2010; Table 8
==============================
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
3,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
4,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
5,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
7,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,498,
8,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
9,18,Bet,4,12,-4,8,504,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
10,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
11,15,Bet,2,6,-2,4,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
12,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
13,18,Bet,2,6,-2,4,508,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
14,19,Bet,2,6,-2,4,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
15,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
16,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
17,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
18,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
19,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,508,
20,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
21,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
22,25,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,502,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
23,24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,498,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
24,15,Bet,4,12,-4,8,506,2 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
25,1,Bet,4,12,-4,8,514,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
26,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
27,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
28,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
29,1,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
30,23,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
31,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
32,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
33,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
34,11,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
35,30,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,506,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
36,11,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,502,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
37,16,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,498,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
38,25,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,492,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
39,12,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,486,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
40,16,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,480,3 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
41,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,480,
42,22,Bet,8,24,-8,16,496,4 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
43,15,Bet,6,18,-6,12,508,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
44,15,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,504,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
45,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504,
46,21,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,498,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
47,33,Bet,6,18,-6,12,510,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
48,17,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,506,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
49,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
50,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
51,5,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,500,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
52,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
53,18,Bet,6,18,-6,12,512,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
54,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,508,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
55,15,Bet,6,18,-6,12,520,3 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
56,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
57,33,Bet,2,6,-2,4,522,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
58,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,520,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
59,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,520,
60,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,518,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
61,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
62,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,516,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
63,3,Bet,4,12,-4,8,524,2 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
64,33,Bet,2,6,-2,4,528,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
65,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,526,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
66,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,524,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
67,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
68,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,528,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
69,2,Bet,2,6,-2,4,532,1 : Line(1-6),Line(19-24)
70,14,Bet,2,6,-2,4,536,1 : Line(13-18),Line(31-36)
[/table]

+36 in 70 spins.
Highest Bet = 4
Max drawdown = 36
Lowest Bankroll = 480/500

A.

[atlantis]

I tested this with flatbet only on both RNG spins and Real spins.

Wiesbaden numbers: -30 units in 243 spins
RNG numbers: +20 units in 300 spins.

As you can see it goes up and down, so we need to take advantage of the upswing. Lowest point was -46 with real spins and -30 with RNG spins.

Hey! Thanks for the graphs, Fripper. I agree with your comments. Quit while ahead when flatbetting at some point..
OK. So that is flatbetting only. Remember too I have tried this with progression at real casino and won +104 in around 260 continuous spins. Highest bet = 4.
That really has made me want to persevere with this further for the time being.
Again, thank you for your report.

A. 

[Twisteruk]

Atlantis


Nice Results there dude !

Im gonna do another session now (and try not to F it up    )

Im gonna carry on testing with 11 22 33 44 etc for now just to see how it goes

[A3on]

After seeing all your sessions and tested it myself for 275 spins I think i've an idea for a progression.

I will post the results soon, flat betting and with progression

[atlantis]

Hi A3on,

Thanks for joining in the quest to refine this. It is very much appreciated and I am looking forward to the result and suggestions resulting from your investigations.
It is good to have your cooperation and participation on this.

A.