Line Combo Bet

[Kattila]

Quote:

*I think the real enemy to this is when we have LLL LLL when the progression is high.
do we reset to 1 and play virtual for wins to appear or do we chase losses?  *


Hi Ewarwoowar,

We  stop, play virtual until appear some wins,because others Ls can appear,  than start again from 1 unit.
Use a stop-loss around -80(-120) .
I find a situation when  was down around 80 units and stop at L1L2L3 L1L2L3,
stop game play virtual until tend to win,  enter again from 1u, but if lose again
around 50 units(so total around 120 units) stop, lost session.
Or just consider lost session at -80.
.......................................................

We have to check also this way  :

Maybe  a reset to 1u ,  when +20(+30) new profit, is welcome.

[ewarwoowar]

hi katilla, you're obviously correct here, but as yet i've not begun to use a stop loss with this system and progression. i'm just waiting to see what it can do.
in an earlier session, i was down over 300 units and it recovered to be well in profit!
i suppose the correct way would be to build in rigid stop losses and targets.
anyway, last nights sessions went like this:-

session 1, 37 spins, 186pts profit
session 2, 35 spins, 108pts profit
session 3, 14 spins, 100pts profit
session 4, 84 spins, -264pts loss.

still ended up 130pts up after a difficult last session. with targets, the profit would be far more. i was never in difficulty during the first 3 sessions and was actually well in profit in the last one, before it went bad.

[atlantis]

Thanks for latest results and ideas.

I have a modification which I think will help.

More soon...

A.

[Side B]

I had my second real money session last night, playing 4 DS Kattila's progression with reset when even or ahead.

The first session went well, 38 units in 44 spins. The second session took me to 51 units until it all came crashing down and I ended up at a low of -200. I didn't follow the stop-losses and carried on betting even after 2 x LLLs. I managed to almost pull back from the brink to -20 units for the day, which obviously is better than -200.

The problem with stop-losses (when playing with resets when even) is that it would take several winning sessions to compensate for losses, as pretty much the maximum number of units won per bet is 2 units.

After all, this is just like a 2-dozen system so perhaps we shouldn't expect consistent wins. I really want this to work though...

[atlantis]

Maybe a breakthrough modification here which might help solve the problems reported... and it seems quite good initially  

THE SUGGESTED CHANGE

Play exact selections from the original system triggers as before - but instead of adding in lines 2 and 5, add in ONLY THE LAST HIT LINE!
Therefore playing only THREE lines maximum.

Example: 33 hits
Play line 1 and line 4 (as system says) + line 6 (last hit line)

Example: 19 hits
Play line 3 and line 6 (as system says) + line 4 (last hit line)

Use this progression: 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5....etc
Forward 1 step on a loss; back 1 step on a win.

Reset to 1 when level or new high.

*Play exactly the same rules regarding "no bets" *

First bet will be 3 x 1u on the qualifying lines. After 2 consecutive losers at any level, increase by 1u.
On a win go back 1 STEP in the progression e.g.:
If win on 2nd 2, next bet will be 1st 2; unless level or ahead in which case reset to the beginning.
If win on 1st 3, next bet will be 2nd 2; ; unless level or ahead in which case reset to the beginning.

See real 100 spin session below:

Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 26 Sep 2010; Table 9
======================================
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,=Bal.=,Bet Layout
1,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
3,15,Bet,3,6,-3,3,500,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
4,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
5,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
6,17,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
7,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,506,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
8,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,503,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
9,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,506,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
10,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,509,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
11,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509,
12,5,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,506,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
13,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
14,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,509,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
15,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
16,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
17,32,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
18,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,515,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
19,6,Bet,3,6,-3,3,518,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
20,23,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,515,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
21,18,Bet,3,6,-3,3,518,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
22,0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,515,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
23,9,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,512,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
24,35,Bet,6,12,-6,6,518,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
25,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,521,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
26,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,524,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
27,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,521,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
28,20,Bet,3,6,-3,3,524,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
29,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,521,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
30,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,521,
31,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,518,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
32,31,Bet,6,12,-6,6,524,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
33,10,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,521,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
34,24,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,518,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
35,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
36,30,Bet,6,12,-6,6,524,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
37,24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
38,22,Bet,3,6,-3,3,527,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
39,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
40,9,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,524,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
41,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,527,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
42,16,Bet,3,6,-3,3,530,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
43,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,533,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
44,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
45,35,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,527,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
46,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,527,
47,33,Bet,6,12,-6,6,533,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
48,30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
49,0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,527,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
50,14,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,521,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
51,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,521,
52,12,Bet,6,12,-6,6,527,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
53,6,Bet,6,12,-6,6,533,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
54,33,Bet,3,6,-3,3,536,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
55,27,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,533,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
56,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
57,33,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,524,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
58,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
59,28,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,518,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
60,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
61,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
62,33,Bet,9,18,-9,9,527,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
63,19,Bet,6,12,-6,6,533,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
64,18,Bet,6,12,-6,6,539,2 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
65,10,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,536,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
66,25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,533,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
67,35,Bet,6,12,-6,6,539,2 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
68,15,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,536,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
69,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,536,
70,36,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,533,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
71,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,533,
72,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,533,
73,36,Bet,6,12,-6,6,539,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
74,23,Bet,3,6,-3,3,542,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
75,35,Bet,3,6,-3,3,545,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
76,1,Bet,3,6,-3,3,548,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
77,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,551,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
78,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
79,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,554,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
80,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
81,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
82,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
83,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
84,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,554,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
85,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
86,22,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,548,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
87,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,548,
88,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,548,
89,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,548,
90,22,Bet,6,12,-6,6,554,2 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
91,3,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
92,16,Bet,3,6,-3,3,554,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
93,9,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
94,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,548,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
95,30,Bet,6,12,-6,6,554,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
96,16,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,551,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
97,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,551,
98,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,554,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
99,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
100,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,554,
[/table]

+54 in 100 spins.
max drawdown = 18
highest  bet = 3 (once only)
lowest bankroll = 497/500

This "Line Combo Bet" sure is fun
Happy testing!
Good luck and may fortune smile upon you!

A.

[Twisteruk]

I got delayed lol 

So Im just in time to try the suggested new Method for Real !


Wish me luck, I will report later tonight or 1st thing in the morning !!!

[atlantis]

I got delayed LoL 

So I'm just in time to try the suggested new Method for Real !


Wish me luck, I will report later tonight or 1st thing in the morning !!!

Hi Twister,
I only just posted it so you are not late, my friend! Anyhow I will await your results. Somehow I think it will be an interesting session for you and hopefully a respectable result.



A.

[Fripper]

Nice idea Atlantis  

Tested with the same numbers as before. Good result.

Highest bet 5 units on each.
Lowest point 485

[Fripper]

Here comes all the 234 live spins.

This is a continuation of the last one. Started good but then went down.

I have to admit that I forgot to wait if a repeat came up (BO,BO) in this test. But I don't think that it will make so much differens.

[Twisteruk]

Just done my 1st Real Money Test

Im not sure what adjustment we are even up to now lol ?

Anyway, I played the latest one above that Atlantis wrote

Basically Original + Last DS then 11 22 33 44 55 etc +1 L -1W Reset


NB's as same

I played 30 Spins
11 were NB's
13 were Wins
6 were Losers

Highest bet was 2 Units on each DS

Total Profit +21 Units


I know, small Sample. But thats all the Free time I had   


Cheers 

[atlantis]

Hi Twister,

Great stuff!

Just remember on a win doesn't necessarily mean you reduce by 1 unit... You simply move back one place in the progression string and restart from there... so, for example, a win on the 2nd bet of 2u means your next bet is the 1st bet @ 2u - not down to 1u. (unless level or ahead)

@fripper: the no bets are important and are an integral part of the method. They might possibly change the whole direction of that graph. But thanks for running the test and for the positive and negative picture.

I'm gonna play this for real next (tomorrow maybe)

A.

[Twisteruk]

Yep, thats how I did it A, movin along the String 11 22 33 44 55 etc

PM me when ure next playin 2moz.....I will stop by if free 

[atlantis]

Another real 100 spin example session:

Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 27 Sep 2010; Table 8
======================================
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,=Bal.=,Bet Layout
1,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
3,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
4,20,Bet,3,6,-3,3,500,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
5,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
6,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,494,1 : (7-12),(13-18),(31-36)
7,3,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,488,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
8,0,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,482,2 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
9,31,Bet,9,18,-9,9,491,3 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
10,5,Bet,6,12,-6,6,497,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
11,3,Bet,6,12,-6,6,503,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
12,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
13,36,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
14,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
15,33,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
16,15,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
17,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
18,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
19,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
20,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
21,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
22,29,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
23,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
24,25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
25,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
26,34,Bet,3,6,-3,3,506,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
27,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
28,16,Bet,3,6,-3,3,509,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
29,18,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
30,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
31,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
32,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
33,32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
34,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
35,0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
36,8,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,506,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
37,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
38,36,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,500,2 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
39,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
40,31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
41,18,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,494,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
42,17,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,485,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
43,23,Bet,9,18,-9,9,494,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
44,33,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
45,15,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,497,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
46,23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
47,25,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,488,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
48,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
49,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,488,
50,8,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,479,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
51,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,479,
52,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,479,
53,13,Bet,12,24,-12,12,491,4 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
54,19,Bet,9,18,-9,9,500,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
55,27,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,491,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
56,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,491,
57,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,491,
58,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,491,
59,18,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,482,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
60,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,482,
61,23,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,470,4 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
62,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,470,
63,32,Bet,12,24,-12,12,482,4 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
64,26,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,470,4 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
65,27,Bet,12,24,-12,12,482,4 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
66,21,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,470,4 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
67,12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,470,
68,4,Bet,12,24,-12,12,482,4 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
69,31,Bet,12,24,-12,12,494,4 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
70,21,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
71,29,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,494,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
72,3,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
73,12,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,494,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
74,12,Bet,9,18,-9,9,503,3 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
75,30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
76,20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503,
77,0,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,494,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
78,5,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,485,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
79,19,Bet,12,24,-12,12,497,4 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
80,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
81,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
82,18,No Bet,0,0,0,0,497,
83,14,Bet,9,18,-9,9,506,3 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
84,22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,506,
85,16,Bet,9,18,-9,9,515,3 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
86,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,518,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
87,27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,518,
88,28,Bet,3,6,-3,3,521,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
89,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,524,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
90,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,527,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(19-24)
91,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,530,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
92,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,527,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
93,31,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,524,1 : (1-6),(7-12),(19-24)
94,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,524,
95,23,Bet,6,12,-6,6,530,2 : (1-6),(19-24),(31-36)
96,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,533,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
97,30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (13-18),(19-24),(31-36)
98,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,533,1 : (1-6),(19-24),(25-30)
99,26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530,1 : (1-6),(13-18),(31-36)
100,29,Bet,3,6,-3,3,533,1 : (13-18),(25-30),(31-36)
[/table]

+33 in 100 spins
max drawdown = 42
highest bet = 4
Lowest bankroll = 470/500

A.

[Kattila]

Hi katilla, you're obviously correct here, but as yet i've not begun to use a stop-loss with this system and progression. i'm just waiting to see what it can do.
in an earlier session, I was down over 300 units and it recovered to be well in profit!
i suppose the correct way would be to build in rigid stop losses and targets.
anyway, last nights sessions went like this:-

session 1, 37 spins, 186pts profit
session 2, 35 spins, 108pts profit
session 3, 14 spins, 100pts profit
session 4, 84 spins, -264pts loss.

still ended up 130pts up after a difficult last session. with targets, the profit would be far more. I was never in difficulty during the first 3 sessions and was actually well in profit in the last one, before it went bad.

Ok Ewarwoowar, I appreciate your effort.
Nice results until now, even without a stop-lose.

[Twisteruk]

Just did another Session and ended up level