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#### Azim

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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
Jun 18, 07:42 AM 2019
Glad. Hopefully General is on board with this.
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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
Jun 18, 08:38 AM 2019
Who takes any notice of the General. All he'll say is look for a wobbly wheel.
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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
Jun 21, 09:20 AM 2019
You can see the reference points
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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
Jun 21, 09:22 AM 2019
The Game posted in KTF
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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
Jun 21, 09:22 AM 2019
You can see Winkel reference points on the clear sheet.
Now KTF is all about the non-hits and uses the 1st 3 columns. You can see 1st 10 spins is 7/10; had 3 repeats; so fast for the repeats, even to ref: point 13.
Now Notto’s average for non-hits over spin 11-40 is 15 of the remaining non-hits will show?
The arrow is pointing to the 16th non-hit; that should really come at spins 27-28. You are only expecting 22 non-hits from the starting 37. So non-hits are fast and need to slow!
Reference point 25! Would need 2 more non-hits, so we’d be saying 18 non-hits would have hit?
Now the 1/37; would it be another non-hit or more likely be a repeat. The repeat would it be a hit once or hit more than once.
So here is the 0x v 1x or now 0x v 1x+>1x; with your tracking that you’ve added, it will help your decision; even if it is a 1/37 spin.
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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
Jun 21, 12:04 PM 2019
You can see Winkel reference points on the clear sheet.
Now KTF is all about the non-hits and uses the 1st 3 columns. You can see 1st 10 spins is 7/10; had 3 repeats; so fast for the repeats, even to ref: point 13.
Now Notto’s average for non-hits over spin 11-40 is 15 of the remaining non-hits will show?
The arrow is pointing to the 16th non-hit; that should really come at spins 27-28. You are only expecting 22 non-hits from the starting 37. So non-hits are fast and need to slow!
Reference point 25! Would need 2 more non-hits, so we’d be saying 18 non-hits would have hit?
Now the 1/37; would it be another non-hit or more likely be a repeat. The repeat would it be a hit once or hit more than once.
So here is the 0x v 1x or now 0x v 1x+>1x; with your tracking that you’ve added, it will help your decision; even if it is a 1/37 spin.

Makes you wonder why it doesn't work huh?
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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
Jun 21, 01:00 PM 2019
Who takes any notice of the General. All he'll say is look for a wobbly wheel.
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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
Jun 22, 10:40 AM 2019
Glad. Hopefully General is on board with this.
Nope he's in KTF at moment trying to learn how to win some KFC
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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
Jun 24, 09:14 PM 2019
Makes you wonder why it doesn't work huh?

Makes me wonder sometimes. After so many years why you still hunting?
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##### Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.
May 14, 04:49 AM 2022
I made a separate post here for the rules as I saw them from Winkel's thread.

17-13 numbers 2 bets
12-10 numbers 3 bets
9-8 numbers 4 bets

36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)

Stop at >39 units otherwise play till spin 50, no stoploss no limit (this one I changed to suit myself as I noticed the rebounds that often happened)

Rebet a crossing as long as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting

9-9
9-8
9-7 stop
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again

Play
0vs1
1vs2
0vs1>
0vs2>
1vs1>
1vs2

This is just my take and it worked OK for me. Attached is a summary of the GUT.

If Winkel was given time; I'm sure he'd have told how to bet the repeats.
Remember Turbo; to hit 3 times it has to hit 2 times, you know the rest.
So the 37 start on the left and head right; the 1x's do the same, want to head right to 37.
Who potentially starts next lap?

Foogus, often looked at this, good work from back in the day.
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