EC System from a New Member

[ausguy]

I'm hoping that JB will reply soon as to how many sessions/bets he has made in the past 2 months.

In the meantime a positive is just as valid as your negative "4 levels that's not hard for random to beat" by me saying that it's also possible for JB to continue on his winning ways for another 2, 4, 8 or *10 months ? (*= 1 year). Random hasn't beaten him yet & it's not just 4 levels is it ? As in 4 x 5 = 20 bet positions plus the - 40% back steps on any win.

[JimmieB]

All, thanks for the interest in the system, ref the queries, I'll get back to you with answers tonight when I get in from work, you will have to bear with me as well as being a newbie on the forum, I'm pretty much a newbie to roulette also....

[foogus]

Any chance this is called the Ching-A-Ling on the other board?

[JimmieB]

Managed to get some time this afternoon....

@ ausguy

Ref the progressions, yes, it can be tricky depending on chip availability. I mainly play on Sky Vegas (UK based) and lately William Hill. Sky Vegas have 2 non dealer live wheels (I’m assuming it’s live feeds of air ball machines), where you can have a minimum bet on ECs of just 10p and 20p respectively, with a maximum of £500 on the ECs, therefore, you can accommodate almost any value of bets on this table, they also have live dealer tables with minimum bets from 50p, ideal if you are maybe playing your recovery levels meaning you have more tables you can watch for the trigger

If you are at table with a minimum bet of £1 on EC’s and the chip selection might be just £1, £5, etc, I would suggest the following levels, you could even use this for starting of at just 10p:

Level 1 - £1, £2, £3, £4, £5 (lose up £1, win down £1)
Level 2 - £2, £4, £6, £8, £10 (lose up £2, win down £1)
Level 3 â€" either £4, £7, £10, £13, £16, or, £5, £8, £11, £14, £17 (lose up £3, win down £2) - £50/£55
Level 4 â€" either £8, £13, £18, £23, £28 (lose up £5, win down £3), or £10, £16, £22, £28, £34 (lose up £6, win down £4)

Regarding using any of the EC’s, yes, I use all 3, and yes it does mean you come across triggers more frequently the guy who come with the system plays on US wheels and I believe it’s only the colours which alternate, whereas, the high/lows/odds/evens are more scattered on the us wheel, hence why his recommendation was colours only, however the UK/Euro wheel all 3 EC’s are almost all alternating.

If you come across 2 or 3 triggers at once, I don’t see why you can’t play them all, I guess it depends on your BR, you may want to have a separate BR for all 3, and how confident you are at doing this, as I’ve already mentioned I’m fairly new to roulette, however, I have managed to play 2 online tables whilst betting at the same time on the odd occasion, I found it quite tense though. 

How often I’ve plated and how many sessions is difficult to answer as I haven’t really been keeping any records, however, I’ll explain what I do, and this will hopefully give you an idea...

I had been playing online roulette for a couple of months with before coming across this system and overall had probably lost in the region of £100 to £150 trying various systems from the internet etc. Based on this & reading various peoples opinion I came to the conclusion that you will never win at roulette (which all things considered is 99.9% true!), and made a decision not to deposit any more money into my account. I only had £15 (piddly amount, I know) in my account when I came across this system, and thought, I’ve enough for just 2 levels, level 1 being 30p, 50p, 70p, 90p, £1.10, and a level 2 of 50p, 80p, £1.10, £1.540, £1.70 let’s give it try with a session target of increasing my BR by just 3% compounded each session, and hopefully I could get enough to incorporate a third and fourth level. I managed to achieve this as well being able to incorporate a second lot of level 4 bets, with my starting bet being 30p, however, when I had a level 3 loss nearer the beginning, I didn’t have enough in my BR for a fourth level, as the system appeared to work, I decided to deposit the required funds for a level 4, about £25, if this lost, I was really out, I manged to get back to where to level 1 and withdrew the £25. When I suffered my first 4 level loss I had just over £104 in my account, my account dropped down to about £65, I was hoping to get my BR to around £130, then I was going to move up a 50p starting bet. When I dropped down to £65, I remained on the 30p starting unit, however, if had another 4 level loss, I was out. My BR is now currently just under £88, meaning I’ve manged to build it back up to 2 lots of 4 levels at the 30p start.

Based on the above, I had probably played bout 75 sessions before my 4 level losses, as mentioned my session target was the 3% compounded increase in your BR. Sometimes you could win 2 or 3 sessions in an hour, which is the maximum time I tend to play (unless it’s the weekend), as I believe the more time you are sitting at the tables, the more likely you are to lose, however, if you lost a level or 2, it could maybe take you a couple of days to get back to where you were depending on how long you play. Also, as your BR increases, whilst you are remaining on the same starting bet, you require more games to reach the session target, as you can imagine a session can take quite a few games if your BR is at a the levels just before you are due to move up your new starting level bet, thence the grind.....

The reason why my session target is 3% compounded is, believe it or not, starting with just £15, if you mange to achieve this, after 300 session you would have over £106k. That’s trying to win less than one session a day for a year! Obviously this is very difficult to achieve, however, it gives you something to aim for, broken down into small targets. Ideally if after several months, I could get in the region of £1800 (approximately 165 sessions), this would give me 3 lots of 4 levels with a £5 starting bet, or even £2600 (175 sessions), giving me enough for 2 lots of 4 levels with a £10 starting bet I would aim to try & win £100 to £150 per week and take this out; for reference200 sessions would give you almost £5.5K, alternatively you could aim for a 5% increase, after a 150 sessions you would have over £22k, or go the other way, just a 2% increase, after 400 sessions you would have over £41k.

Finally regarding the zero, I ignore, and move up the next betting amount i.e. of it was b before the zero, meaning I was betting b, I would bet b again.

I hope this helps answer your queries.


@ Dutchy

1R
2R
3B
4B
5R
6B
7R
9B
10R
11R â€" trigger, I then bet 12 will be R
12B â€" loss, I now bet 13 will be B, following the last result
13B â€" win, I have made a profit, albeit just 0.6 unit, stop betting and wait for another trigger, then start betting again...


@ foogus

YES!!! This is the Ching-A-Ling from Rouletteforum.com,  the full thread from when the system originated back in May is under Roulette Systems, and the topic, is called (funnily enough) Ching-A-Ling, take a look....

As I stated in my opening post this is not my system, and cannot take any credit for it, hence why I didn’t want to call it by its name, I just thought I would share it which the author is happy for me to do so, as it’s been working for me, and others. The guy who started it is based in the US, and can only access land casinos, in the 8 months he has been doing it, he is $30k up and is currently starting with a $30 level 1 bet, he has had his losses along the way, which he doesn’t hide from telling you about. Form the chats I’ve had with him on the forum and via PM he seems a really decent stand up guy, therefore, if this does work for you drop him a PM and keep him updated, he’s always happy to hear how you are doing with the system, winning or not, if it doesn’t work you, you can blame me since I introduced you to it. 

[JimmieB]

Hi Turner,

Excuse my ignorace, I had a look at the spreadsheet, can you explain more on the other 10 ECs, I don't understand?

Thanks

Welcome jimme

you can have 12 ec's if you want. Your trigger is seen many more times (not such a grind)

O/E, R/B and 10 x lines pitched 3v3 - 12 e/cs

But....trying to take advantage of a probability, over a small amount of spins, when the probability is only proven over thousands of spins is  fallacy

Variance is king in your small trot.

[atlantis]

Hi JimmieB,


Here is how I’ve adapted the progression to play in low value 0.10 units in UK live online casino:

Level 1: 40p-60p-80p-£1-£1.20-£1.40.  Lose up by 20p; win down by 10p
Level 2: 80p-£1.20-£1.60-£2-£2.40-£2.80.    Lose up by 40p; win down by 20p
Level 3: £1.20-£1.80-£2.40-£3-£3.60-£4.20.    Lose up by 60p; win down by 30p

(On 2 consecutive wins back 2 places in level - or reset if in profit)

MY SESSION TARGET = £2 (5x40p units)

TOTAL BANK REQUIRED = £32.30

[reveal]

THE 5/5 ANGLE
==========

A way to play might be to wait for a TRIGGER to bet.
I set this one as:

If 5 successive chops (singles) then bet 5 times for SAME AS LAST
If 5 successive series (repeats) then bet 5 times for OPPOSITE OF LAST

After the 5 bets - win or lose -  wait for next sequence trigger before resuming at next point of progression or start of progression depending on outcome.

Example Session:

B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L0.40               -0.40
B - L0.60               -1.00
R - W0.80              -0.20
B - W0.70              +0.50
R - W0.40              +0.90
R 
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W0.40            +1.30
R - W0.30            +1.60
R - L0.40              +1.20
B - W0.60            +1.80
R - W0.50            +2.30
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L0.40             +1.90
R - W0.60            +2.50
B - W0.50            +3.00
B - L0.40             +2.60
R - W0.60            +3.20
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
B - L0.40             +2.80
B - W0.60            +3.40
R - L-50               +2.90
R - W+70             +3.60
R - W+60             +4.20
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40              +4.60
R - W0.30              +4.90
R - W0.40              +5.30
R - W0.30              +5.60
B - L0.40               +5.20
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite of last
B - W0.40              +5.60
B - L0.30               +5.30
B - L0.50               +4.80
B - L0.70               +4.10
R - W+0.90            +5.00  (start @ 80p next time)
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W0.80               +5.80   (restart at 40p)
R - L-0.40                +5.40         
B - W0.60                +6.00
R - W0.50                +6.50
B - W0.40                +6.90
R
B
   - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40                +7.30
R - W0.30                +7.60
R - W0.40                +8.00
R - W0.30                +8.30
R - W0.40                +8.70
    - 5 reds so play opposite last
R - L0.40                 +8.30
R - L0.60                 +7.70
B - W0.80                +8.50
B - L0.70                 +7.80
B - L0.90                 +6.90   (restart at 1.20)
R
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
B - L1.20                +5.70
B - W1.40               +7.10
R - L1.30                +5.80   
B - L1.50                +4.30
B - W1.70               +6.00            next bet = 1.60
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W1.60                +7.60
R - W1.50                +9.10
B - W0.40                +9.50
B - L0.30                  +9.20
B - L0.40                  +8.80             next bet 0.60
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W0.60                +9.40
R - L0.50                  +8.90
R - L0.70                  +8.20
R - L0.90                  +7.30
B - W1.10                +8.40           next bet =1.00
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W1.00                +9.40
B - W0.90                +10.30
R - L0.40                  +9.90
B - L0.60                  +9.30
R - L0.80                  +8.50            next bet =1.00
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W1.00               +9.50
R - L0.90                 +8.60
B - L1.10                 +7.50
B - W1.20                +8.70
B - W1.10                +9.80            next  bet =1.00
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W1.00              +10.80
R - L0.40               +10.40
R - L0.60               +9.80
B - W0.80             +10.60
R - W0.70             +11.30
R
B
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W0.40              +11.70
B - W0.30              +12.00
R - L0.40               +11.60
B - L0.60               +11.00
R - L0.80               +10.20          next bet = 1.00
R
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W1.00              +11.20
R - W0.90              +12.10
R - W0.40              +12.50
B - L0.30               +12.20
R - L0.50               +11.70         next bet =70p
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W0.70                    +12.40
R - W0.60                    +13.00                 
R - L0.40                     +12.60
B - W0.60                    +13.20
R - W0.50                    +13.70 

Of course a lot slower, but maybe safer?  I suppose you could play faster on rng.

Profit = +137units (playing at 10p whole units)

[/reveal]

I agree with JimmieB in that you can also play until in profit then STOP and wait for next trigger.

A.

PS. I tried to shorten this with reveal tags - but don't seem working!

[JimmieB]

Hi Atlantis,

I remember seeing this in the other forum, and I liked look the look of it....

Going from your example do you only play the 5/5 angle with one level of betting, if you lose up 20, win down 10, win 3 in a row back to the original starting bet, if this is the case do you have a stop limit?

Also, form your example, I think the following may be wrong, should the 5 Rs after the chop not be losses, as you should be betting B, same as the last after the chop, which was a B?

R - W0.50                +6.50
B - W0.40                +6.90
R
B
   - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40                +7.30
R - W0.30                +7.60
R - W0.40                +8.00
R - W0.30                +8.30
R - W0.40                +8.70
    - 5 reds so play opposite last

[atlantis]

Hi JimmieB,
Well spotted. It was a while ago so may be a recording error; but anyhow if wrong its not going to make much difference..
As you can see I might play this slightly different to the original by Chingy. For instance, If I'm in profit after a 5 spin play I might reset to the beginning of that level and some times I extend the level sequence... but I think your idea is very good.
A.

[JimmieB]

Thanks Atlantis,

Having had a look on the forum there are quite a few EC systems which I like the look of, especially those with triggers, I do like a system with a trigger , I'm going to test few on RNG sites, in the meantime, I'll stick with my tried and tested system on live tables for the time being, although, I might give your 5/5 tonight whilst I'm watching the football

[foogus]

Thanks for replying JimmyB.  I posted in Chingy's thread on 16th December 2014, after spending about a month reading the whole thread and I agree Chingy seems like a pretty cool, honest bloke.  Not that I can say the same for some of the other people on that board who seem to take pleasure in baiting him at every opportunity.

I haven't played his method at all, but there seem quite a few on there that do and most report good outcomes.

[atlantis]

Hi,

Anybody else been trying this idea? I think I might spend some time today testing with a variant idea by JimmieB.

A.

[JimmieB]

Hi Atlantis,

Did you manage to get any testing done?

[atlantis]

Hi JimmieB,
I DID do a few tests the other day with your idea and got some mixed results...
A couple of games had unfavourable outcomes and I was a little disappointed.
I think on balance I prefer the 5/5 angle still - maybe incorporating the stop at a winner aspect of your variation - but each to his own.
A.

[Ching-A-Ling]

Hello,
    I finally found my way over to this forum and registered. Hey
  Jimmie, nice job explaining the strategy and the kind words. The
  same goes for you Atlantis and Foogus saying I was a decent guy.
  Atlantis, I'm sorry to hear the testing was a little disappointing. I
  naturally don't know how you did your testing, but I have others
  and the same feelings as you. But after going over how these others
  did the testing I learned that they had made some minor errors or
  were playing continously. Based on the corrections, further test was
  done and all most everyone cam away with a positive reaction.

   The key thing is Atlantis I constantly move from table to table, thus
   in the truest sense a "hit and run." To lose 5 consecutive bets the
   odds are only approximately 1 in 32. So if you stay long enough at
   a table you'll see many sequence over time of strings of 5 or more
   consecutive losses. But the strength of the strategy isn't the hit and
   run, because 5 losses can happen on the first spin of any session.
   The important part is the fact that series of even money chance
   account for approximately 75% of all trials. If you did a silly test
   of a grouping of 100 spins and did it a hundred times, then counted
   each group of 100 spins to find how many series vs single events
   you would see after checcking all hundred groups that series truly 
   average about 75%. True every spin is independent the odds never
    change 50/50 red or black, minus the percentage for the zero or
   zeros. My theory is based on whether I can predict the right color,
   no it's based on the high percentage that streaks of series consist-
   antly dominate single events. As most of you that know me, this isn't
   just something I've done a few million RNG tests on, it's almost one
   year now that I have been playing this in live casinos. And in all
   fairness, I haven't given myself the advantage of playing with the
   partage rule about 90% of the time. I play at a casino that very
   close to my home, I rarely have time to travel to Atlantic City where
   I have the advantage of the partage rule and getting back half my
   bets due to zeros. I'm constantly fighting the "ZEROS" and no partage
   rule! I'm up over 30k with limited playing time for the year under
   these guildlines, but if I was playing in Atlantic City that total would
   be a lot higher. I even wonder what my total would be if I could play
   at a single zero wheel, I'm giving up a higher percentage to play close
   to home instead of traveling 3 hours to play.
     
   As of late, I have been testing a new theory and it has shown great
   results, lowering the risk and increasing the recovery stages. I have
   only shared this new aspect with two others and they are using it also
   with great results. As you guys know, there's no Holy Grail, it's all
   about discipline and good money management. The nay-sayers all
   swear every system loses in the long run, the thing is that the so
   called "Long Run" has been debated from the beginning of the first
   game of chance. To take a line from Midnight Skulker, we are only
   moral, so we will never live long enough to know the long run. There's
   no magic win all, it's about taking losses and wins and find a way to
   inch forward, thus the constant grind. It's work and gamblers generally
   want no part of that, everyone wants that guarantee win with no losses.
   Well it's just an illusion, I see most here are looking for the golden BOT
   they can turn on and wake up rich! I have always told guys that if they
   play on these online casinos they are not getting RANDOM, these are
   mostly computer programs. Right there the warning bells should sound.
   If you want a fighting chance with real random stick to a live casino
   not a site where you have no idea how that program is written. I could
   show you a program and let you play a zillion years and you wouldn't
   ever know where slowly and selectively begin grind out. Some men
   are so used to losing, they just chalk it up to bad luck. Becareful with
   these online casinos. I've only had two posts prior and I've had one
   fool demand I show him proof. I would waste my time enlighting this
   man. The funny part is two post later he cries that his other computer
   just had 4 zeros in a row and saying their killing him. I've read through
   some of his 3000 post and it was clear he's a life time loser and
   chasing the dream. Think guys, no online casino in the world has to
   submit there PROGRAMS, these are trade secrets and yes many online
   casinos are regulated that great but without seeing the programs it's
   all for show.  Good Luck Guys, and thanks again! Louie

[ausguy]

Ching-A-Ling - I don't agree with your view that all on line casinos don't provide true random results.

As you are in the USA (the so called world champions of freedom of choice) you are banned from playing overseas, including single zero live dealer games ?
So surely you would have nil experience playing live dealer games like at Dublin bet, Smart Live UK, Party Casino (Latvia/UK) & there's many others ?

All you have for most roulette games are the 38 pocket dual zeros wheels. How the American player has been conned by US casinos nation wide is difficult to fathom ?

Lumping all the on line roulette games into one basket is a major gross error. I think you may mean RNG games which I agree are rigged & don't play (hugely discussed on this forum & VLS & same forum family).

I've played both B & M casinos live dealer & on line a lot. I haven't had any noticeable difference in results between the two. My win/losses are nearly the same.

Many on line live dealer games offer a better bet limit range than B & M casinos & so a better progression. As an example my local B & M casino roulette chip table has $5 dollar inside bets, Doz./Col. $10 - $500. EC $25 - $1,000. A $10 table, $25 - $1,000 D/C, EC $50 - $2,000.

Party Casino (37 pockets) were I play has a 2 Euro/GBP/$ minimum on any bet to 250 on the inside no's. All outside bets 2 : 1 & EC are the same at 2 - 2,000. That's a ratio of  only 1 : 40 on the chip table but 1 : 1,000 on line. Spins are 1 per minute 24/7 all in the comfort, peace & quiet of playing at home.  60 spins per hour VS 25 - 30, maybe at B & M, can make a big difference to profits at the end of any session.

Granted for hit & walk multi table play that you do, B & M casinos rule in that department.