The 12 Number Dozen system.. Can it work?

[steven1212]

Hello Everyone,

For those of you following my other thread regarding my invincible system, do not get exited yet, THIS IS NOT THE INVINCIBLE!!! My real system is taking me a little time to write down very clearly. It will come some time this week and I will let you all know in advance.
In the meantime, I was brainstorming about other little ideas and I thought of something that seemed to work for the 200 spin test I just did. Of course, we should continue testing for millions of spins and this is why I am posting it here, for all of you to try it and share your results and brainstorm with me.
It could not be simpler. Here it is:

As some of you know already, I am in possession on an invincible system that cannot be beaten. Only problem, it's hard to beat with it either because it requires a 3 to 5 steps martingale on double dozens that few casinos will let happen. So until you find the right place to play the system, you cannot play it (I will share this system with you later this week). Therefore, I was trying to look for solutions to make money from the roulette table that would not be stopped by the table limits.
I like dozens, but I think the best limits offered on any table are on single numbers. Here is what I propose, it is the easiest way any one can play. If you believe in repeaters, then this system is for you.. This system is based on the fact that out of 24 different spins, it is quite rare to see 24 different single numbers, without a repeater.

Sit at a table and look at the history for the last 12 numbers. Bet one unit on each of these numbers hoping than one of them will repeat. Continue for the next 12 spins using your favorite single dozen progression. No casino should cause you any troubles since the limits on single numbers are quite satisfactory, and the progression for 12 numbers/1 dozen is generally not too steep.
It's like playing a dozen, but it's also like playing numbers. It has worked for me so far but needs a lot more testing.

For those of you who prefer even chances, I am also looking at the same concept with a little tweak. Sit a table and look at the history for the past 18 numbers. Then you have to options.
1.Bet on the same 18 numbers with a 6 step progression, hoping for a repeater.
2. Or you can use my favorite version of the two. Bet on the opposite 18 numbers with a 6 step progression hoping that one of the next 6 spins will be a new number. This should work. But I like better the 12numbers/dozen version…

Can anyone test this system and let us know if we should continue discussing, or erase the thread and just wait for my holy grail later this week…?

Cheers,

Steven

[TwoCatSam]

Steven

First you must wait for 12 unique numbers, or you already have your repeater.

Second, you must bet 12, then 13, then 14 and so on until you last bet is 24 numbers.

I'm simply too busy to figure out what that would cost.

Anyone?

Still, I like the idea.  Would be great for the ExcelBot.

Sam

[atlantis]

Sit at a table and look at the history for the last 12 numbers. Bet one unit on each of these numbers hoping than one of them will repeat. Continue for the next 12 spins using your favorite single dozen progression.

Surely this same as doing a single doz progression on a dozen? Except you can bet with higher stakes and thus the returns are greater on a win?

Regards,
A.

[ego]

 My advice ,, forget about testing system for millions of trails ,, because we all know they will fail ,,
You would be better of making short testing and see if you can win two out of three session on regular basis.

For example, pick 20% win goal and 50% loss limit.
All you need.

If you can not win two session out of three on regular basis using MM ,,, then you can continue to search ...
Short burst of attacks and try stay ahead.

For example, lets say that you pass 800.000 trails using a 12 step fibo and start play for real.
Then you maybe will get lucky for one week or one year or maybe two year, but sooner or later will you lose it all back to the casino.

I used to test for millions and make many simulations.
But no one of them would hold up with strict money management.
All of them use a progression that goes all in.

I mean if you are going to test one idea, then start from the beginning with what your Master Bankroll would be and what you would have for each session.
For example 3K Master Bankroll.
You split it into three and bring 1K to the casino.
Then you split 1K into 5 sessions with 200 each.
Now you only play to win two session out of three.
That is 400 total.
Win goal 20% and loss limit 50%.
Lets say you lose it all then you have 800 to bring home.

99.9% of all ideas and system can not handle common sense and strict money management rules.
And its a reason for that.

[steven1212]

The point is not to add one more number every time you lose (I.e bet 12 single numbers , then 13 after a loss, then 14 after a loss, etc...). You get your 12 numbers and then bet this exact same number during 12 rounds or until win whichever event happens first.

I use this kind of progression: 1-2-3-4-6-9-13-20... Etc....

It give you fantastique returns when on a lucky streak. I tried 100 spins in fun mode and made 232 units in less than 15 mins. I tried again 2 or 3 times before posting it and every time posting it and always got similar results. I put it out there in case in can make anyone happy but honestly I don't think it can work on the long run. Unless our progression expert GLC tests the system and comes out with a good progression to turn it into a grail. At the end of the day, we re just betting on a single dozen but with a new and fun bet selection process.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't think I would play this system. I'm just going to stick to my invincible system. I'm tempted to call it Code invincible but that's still a very arrogant name lol.

Try it for yourself any way, it might give you interesting results.

Cheers

Steven

First you must wait for 12 unique numbers, or you already have your repeater.

Second, you must bet 12, then 13, then 14 and so on until you last bet is 24 numbers.

I'm simply too busy to figure out what that would cost.

Anyone?

Still, I like the idea.  Would be great for the ExcelBot.

Sam

[steven1212]

Ego- Thank you for this very valuable post. You are very wise. I agree with every word and letter you wrote. I wish every one here could understand that what you just said is more important than any system.

At some point, I remember JL tying to explain in vain the value of hit and run. He was right. At some point it will all go down. Just don't be there when it does.
Do you guys watch football? How many times Ibraimovic pushed/hit another player. It's ok... Just make sure the referee is not looking when you do....

My advice ,, forget about testing system for millions of trails ,, because we all know they will fail ,,
You would be better of making short testing and see if you can win two out of three session on regular basis.

For example, pick 20% win goal and 50% loss limit.
All you need.

If you can not win two session out of three on regular basis using MM ,,, then you can continue to search ...
Short burst of attacks and try stay ahead.

For example, lets say that you pass 800.000 trails using a 12 step fibo and start play for real.
Then you maybe will get lucky for one week or one year or maybe two year, but sooner or later will you lose it all back to the casino.

I used to test for millions and make many simulations.
But no one of them would hold up with strict money management.
All of them use a progression that goes all in.

I mean if you are going to test one idea, then start from the beginning with what your Master Bankroll would be and what you would have for each session.
For example 3K Master Bankroll.
You split it into three and bring 1K to the casino.
Then you split 1K into 5 sessions with 200 each.
Now you only play to win two session out of three.
That is 400 total.
Win goal 20% and loss limit 50%.
Lets say you lose it all then you have 800 to bring home.

99.9% of all ideas and system can not handle common sense and strict money management rules.
And its a reason for that.

[Buffster]

Steven

A 12 step progression on a single dozen is 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,31,47,70

If you have to go to the 12th step your bet on 12 individual numbers will be 12X70=2520

You will get back 2508 on a win for a 12 unit profit.

Your average win for the 12 steps is 17.33 units per win

A little bit too steep for my humble pockets.

B

[steven1212]

Yeah that's way too big for me too considering that the 12 step prog may not even be invincible as well. Play this system continuously and I'm pretty sure anyone would buts after less than an hour.
This is a no go for me. Won't be wasting more time on this.

Steven

A 12 step progression on a single dozen is 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,31,47,70

If you have to go to the 12th step your bet on 12 individual numbers will be 12X70=2520

You will get back 2508 on a win for a 12 unit profit.

Your average win for the 12 steps is 17.33 units per win

A little bit too steep for my humble pockets.

B

[Skakus]

The point is not to add one more number every time you lose (I.e bet 12 single numbers , then 13 after a loss, then 14 after a loss, etc...). You get your 12 numbers and then bet this exact same number during 12 rounds or until win whichever event happens first.

I use this kind of progression: 1-2-3-4-6-9-13-20... Etc....

If you're just going to play 12 numbers with a progression then you could use any 12 numbers, anytime. Why wait all day for 12 uniques, they're not special?

You would probably be better off picking the last 12 numbers that have repeated, and then keep putting an extra chip on any of them that hit again until you have some profit.

[TwoCatSam]

OK, Steven is done with this thread.  I'm not quite......

I re-read his first post.  Is he not saying, in effect, that is is rare to see 24 unique numbers?  Did I read that wrong?

We could start with zero numbers and bet that it would not go for 24 spins without a repeater.

We could wait for 23 unique numbers and bet that the 24th will be a repeat.

Someone show me where I'm going wrong.  Someone show me where you would not bet 12 numbers hoping the 13th spin would be a repeat and so on and so on and so on.....

Sam

[buffalowizard]

OK, Steven is done with this thread.  I'm not quite......

I re-read his first post.  Is he not saying, in effect, that is is rare to see 24 unique numbers?  Did I read that wrong?

We could start with zero numbers and bet that it would not go for 24 spins without a repeater.

We could wait for 23 unique numbers and bet that the 24th will be a repeat.

Someone show me where I'm going wrong.  Someone show me where you would not bet 12 numbers hoping the 13th spin would be a repeat and so on and so on and so on.....

Sam

I had the same thought Sam. Weirdly enough, at the same time I posted a query about money management for an idea about trying to catch repeats of streets as not often you get all 12 unique streets in a row. Problem is, progression is astronomical. Still, ponder thy must

[Skakus]

You will see 12 unique streets often enough to smash that progression into splinters.

Steve’s idea falls down because there is nothing stopping another unique number that hits after you have your 12 uniques from repeating and effectively closing the “rare 24 uniques” premise, and that could happen a lot...

[Turner]

I said this years ago when I knew Jack S***

Nothing much has changed really....LoL

Anyways....I said.....

progression is just a sticking plaster on your poor choice of bet selection

And the bigger the wound, the less effective the plaster is.

[buffalowizard]

Is it just me or are roulette players some of the most talented bunch of proverb-metaphor-analogy-quotation masters in the entire universe.
Sod Oscar Wilde - we got Turner, TCS and MBB !

[ugly bob]

Is it just me or are roulette players some of the most talented bunch of proverb-metaphor-analogy-quotation masters in the entire universe.
Sod Oscar Wilde - we got Turner, TCS and MBB !

Here is my favourite...

"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829

always puts a smile on my face