COMMON SENSE BETTING + PROFESSIONAL ROULETTE STUDIES

[VLS]

Coming soon to a casino near you! 

ahaha, I wonder if they would have "Monkey's Signature" 

[chrisbis]

Nice bit of moderate intervention there Victor.

I came here (landing at planet Roulette Forum .cc) to seek a greater understanding in
both the physical, and the statistical game of Roulette.

I respect, and appreciate, the need to learn the game merits and idiosyncraces
for one-self, at the same time tho, hoping that the breadth of experience gleaned
by other players in all lands far and wide, would promote a common interface
of approach and understanding.

I love reading the whole variety of ideas and systems laid down in forums such as this
(hey, there are a good handful of them to choose from), (forums I mean!)
and I  intend to lay a few down myself, just as soon as I have caught up with the several hundred Unread threads that are this virginal.

Its great to see new posters, i just hope they share their ideas openly, widely and to a greater degree, honestly. The study of this hobby/investment sport is constant, infinite, and as expensive as the universe it live sin.

@6Th. I'll study hard sunshine, even greater than before.

Now lets have a look at those spin numbers XXVV sent over- where did put them..........

[6th-sense]

chrisbis regarding wwvv he didn,t have to give you any numbers y don,t you download some and spell them out a b c fashion as has been shown? its not hard to do. i think my first post has shared more than anything you,ve posted to date. write the numbers down and study its as simple as that.  xxvv gave some pointers and i gave what i have found in plain english for everyone to shortcut through and learn. i think you should maybe start a thread on dealer signature,casino,s there at and the stats for each individual do this and then give me some results and who and where to look to back your claims up the same as you ask everyone else to do for you? i,m eagerly awaiting so i can check them out

[Carsch]

Crhisbis no disrespect but you need to study like me and vvxx and I'm not a newbie in terms of roulette.

6th sense, i'm gonna take offense - well, not really. But why should anyone study like you or anyone else? Now, that's complete nonsense.

As for dealer signature, maybe you should start paying a bit more attention when playing roulette. Ever played BlackJack? Ever noticed how different dealers can have a different effect on the game? Well, think about it. Being a gambler, one better keep an open mind.

[6th-sense]

carsh we are on about roulette not blackjack,and yes i do study the game of roulette,not nonsence at all,time and effort pays well. dealer signature is a fallacy

[Carsch]

Well, that is your opinion, 6th sense, and that is fine. But it's your opinion........not everyone's opinion. 

[6th-sense]

it sure is carsh,does certain wagering on a system proven to win more than it loses like cs is telling us make us gamblers do you think

[Carsch]

I have yet to see what cs has to show us.  So far it's just air.

But i'm here, and open. 

[6th-sense]

i think most of the stuff on here is just air myself. everyone seems to be going around in circles juggling the streets,n6,doz col high and low etc then giving them a cool name and betting strategies stop losses to boot. i do like the red black approaches i must admit,and also the divisor system,which i have a simple program of it,which divises 2,3,6,8,12,18 automatically for you. saves a lot of working out,i,ll see if victor will let me upload it if i,m able to figure how to do it so you can all use it

[XXVV]

Been away for a while on business but have continued a lot of private study exclusively with matrix ideas - some of which I can advise show good positive results on flat betting over 30 sessions at 100 spins. Some show very good results, you just need to sit and watch the results at the live casinos for several days and fresh ideas will open to you.

You will appreciate full testing is very time consuming. However I cannot emphasise enough how rewarding it is to see the ebb and flow of results and feel you are eventually getting somewhere. A full test is necessary to see a bigger picture.

As CS stated the way forward, after you have a good technique to start, is to find a way to increase the win ratios ( eg better than 18W to 12L) by selection and tuning of a methodology so any bank does not have to encounter a long run of losing games flat staking!

This is possible and requires lateral thinking.

I will say there are dozens of worthwhile methods that open up if you put in the effort and the path you follow will reward you. Dont ask me for the detail map but am delighted to encourage others who have the passion to explore.

Off to test and tune with a week of live casino play very soon, and hope to be able to post some results after that.

Cheers XXVV

[XXVV]

I can add a little bit of specific detail here which may help those who are following this thread, based on a lot of successful live B+M in last 2 weeks.

By watching and waiting and using the matrix as a tool to focus on a specific way of modelling outcomes, you will note that a grouping of results will occur which seem to thrive on penultimate patterns, but sometimes consecutive also, in a small section of the table.

This can be from as few as 4 numbers to perhaps 9.

You can reinforce this by watching dominant patterns in EC outcomes also or even dominant sections of the wheel.

These outcomes may flow for a few spin cycles or occasionally for much longer periods if you have the patience to fish for these.

This will make sense in the context of what has been written prior on this thread.

Hope this assists.

XXVV

[XXVV]

Here is an illustration to the above from live casino play this morning......

36
36
29
29
21
25
35
15
3
36
3
23
26
28
28
4
33
20
5
14
24
35
18
26
35
0
17
21
26
33
11
27
11
29
18
15
21
33
27

When this is set out in the individual coulumns and color coded for EC bets then the penultimate patterns become clearer.

I will not go into too much detail but the trigger for action is really the second 3. on one beat, and the 14 on another beat.

hits
35
26
0
17
26
11
11
33
27
18
15
21
33
27

A key is not to be too literal. However there is are column dominance patterns and there are penultimate beats.

Sometimes there are lateral thinking clues also like the three targets in the third dozen -26.32.35- that are zero section and central column ( and remember the earlier 3 as a trigger - a sign of penultimate action) so you would include zero in your bets.

I believe you can integrate wheel section bet analysis with this matrix and the overlaps that are sometimes there, and I emphasise sometimes, can lead you to a string of hits that you can help you do very well in a short burst.

I hope this helps you. It is necessary to be very alert and very calm when playing. Also when the phase comes to an end be sure to stop and take profit.

Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

I can add a little more after last night live play at the casino.

This may then be as far as I can go without spelling it out, but in my mind, there is no doubt using this my favoured approach can sometimes bring in a rich harvest. The 'sometimes' is that this particular pattern phenomenon, and there are many others you can find, manifests from time to time, and often clusters as with many natural phenomena. It varies in its strength of appearance but it pays to take full advantage of the manifestation and attack once a trigger signal is observed. I have previously explained this.

There is plenty of fine literature on how to sensibly but aggresively bet, setting aside profit as you go.

What I add now is that sometimes the penultimate pattern may actually be a double beat, ie every second spin but every second cycle also, as a trigger, and then you can look for similar future rhythms.

It would be helpful if anyone could add their positive experiences to this thread.

This is a method based on the matrix setout and targetting four only numbers but the betting has to be triggered by an example of a penultimate cycle hit and then can be played out over a further period or cycle of beats. I usually play nine. If there is a hit, I continue the play but always use discretion and judgement. That is why this method is not a black and white easily programmable method. I emphasise it is flat betting.

Discretion is a fuzzy logic.

Hope the above helps.

I will take a break for a while now and will post some new thoughts in a couple of weeks. Thanks for all those on this Forum who are genuinely and sincerely working to help progress winning methods. There seems to be a real growth phase. It is great to see progress by the team with Don in Sri Lanka who is really genuine in his desire to produce a better and better method. I believe the work with dozens and columns is extremely promising. Of course it is the intersection of such outside bets that gives the matrix its four targets.

Best
XXVV

[chrisbis]

Hello XXvv.

I am still keeping up with this thread since I feel it a subject I'll continue to be interested in for a long time to come.

I see from the numbers U posted earlier, that U mentioned the trigger point, but remains unclear, is what are the laws governing that being a trigger?
In a sense, I know the wheels ball/spin returns are going to change, and it going to perform a different merry dance around the table/wheel (Its the wheel its dancing around),
but how do I spot that change point/moment?

I have observed the real wheel (live on-line is as close to getting near one at the mo), and intuitively, I can sense that the sequence is going to change, even to the point of saying to myself, or i my head, "Its going to do this now,"... or..... "Its changing to that play now"

But how do I define that point, accurately, positively, and graphically?

So, herein lays the original question XX, How did U know, that the #3 was a trigger moment?

Yours Interestingly, Chris

[XXVV]

Thanks for you ongoing interest Chris.

The trigger point need not be complicated at all. In this particular version of several possibilities that the matrix as a tool opens, I am playing penultimate cycle repeats in a section of the matrix.

In this case it was ac, and 3 is a good example of that. So if the cycle beat offers a repeat on this beat then for several cycles following I monitor this, and play goes live. 3 followed 3 on penultimate bet or it could just as usefully been 6, 9 or 12.

There is some trial and error but I usually play up to 9 cycles or until a hit. If a hit I keep betting, and will continue until I sense that things are cooling or I have my session target profit. Sometimes it will go to a part win and you need to keep track of the flow.

Last night in live play there was an insane series of outcomes that would defy random  action - it just shows that in the short term just about anything can happen. I will post these outcomes tomorrow but there were massive opportunities for profit.

I overlap this matrix bet selection with other methods  I have previously developed. It is in the overlaps that great opportunities occur. Also it is necessary to be quick on your toes to respond to the dance. And in the most recent experience there was another application of the matrix tool that provided spectacular short term results. Ten wins in a row.

Note these are often short term opportunities.

Hope this assists, always a pleasure.
XXVV