COMMON SENSE BETTING + PROFESSIONAL ROULETTE STUDIES

[XXVV]

No, I am not referring to three lines or anything as complex as that at this time. I am testing several complex bets of course elsewhere and trying to find simpler ways to bet them. No easy answers there.

In this case though I am simply looking at three individual bet types ( or more) that can be easily played one at a time but that one of them may offer 3 EC opportunities to be played by a player or a player and a partner.

The real difference is that I am looking to simply earn say +3 units  from each EC, so that in a mini session where a sequence can earn 3 units might take only 5 spins to win, on another EC maybe 20 spins, and the other 40+ spins, and may be even just a break even result.

So overall in a mini session to ideally earn say +8/+11 units within say 50 spin average. Some may be only +5, some nil, some +20.

A full session may be a string of these mini sessions. However if unit value is high why tire yourself. Keep it simple.

Selection of the bet type is important and remember we have been told to work out our rules for play AFTER the bet has been developed. Different bets will need different rules and strategy. Goal is to ensure we end with profit!!! Not to keep on playing and to place a bet that would risk or throw away earlier hard won profit. No need for that. That is why I am stopping at +3.

These are just simple EC bets in different spin cycles or various organisations of results for short term pattern play.

By playing for just a very small goal in short cycles that solves a lot of problems because most havent yet been created!

These ones are all flat bets, but there are ways to construct very conservative progressions so as to minimise and mitigate loss. There has been some excellent work on these within this forum.

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Then try 2 penultimate lines/rolling fashion/mayby you find it
interesting in short circle bets.

[XXVV]

Thanks for that.
Will do. Will report in 3-5 days.
Must fly.

[XXVV]

Underway at new casino. 5 mini sessions in 90 minutes and all winners.

This is a good start and have had enough for day one as travel and change of environments is very taxing on the mind and body.

In discussion with one of my colleagues. He described the EC bets as very 'slippery'. This is a great term and is why I am seeking only modest gains in this form of betting. It is like  climbing a greasy pole - hard to move up but easy to slide and lose progress unless skilled.

Am exploring runs of RO/BE and BO/RE and am amazed how they can run in clusters. There is a possible outside table bet in that phenomenon. Again +3 would be sufficient.

Where some EC bets only risk one unit per bet you can let winning runs extend until abruptly halted by a loss. I have seen +15 or more available in penultimate cycle runs. Even longer runs are available in sequential betting, and Louis Holloway writes of these and how to play them hourly, daily, weekly and monthly in his classic book. Requires knowledge, great patience and no current debt  ( on the current table)  to take best advantage of these.

Will update in a few days on strategy. What amazes me is the change in your play performance after several weeks of training and mental preparation wrt attitude and expectation.

One key variable in the professional game is the mental game in trained subconscious patterns and self conscious awareness and alertness. The difference to an untrained player is that so much of what they do is unconscious conditioned response and group mind behaviour.

It is the same with any professional in any field now whether commerce or sport as the expectation rises in terms of self control and new boundaries are always being tested.

To give you a humorous example today. As soon as I sat at the table my 'friend' zero turned up. I play zero as my expected and frequent house guest. All the more important as I am playing EC's. It is the same principle of synchronicity that can find you a parking spot in advance. Expectation is everything.

I run zero as a unique book in the bets. Zero is not available 'en prison' where I am playing this week.

Cheers XXVV

[XXVV]

Louis Holloway wrote that EC runs in one pattern form or another (but probably in sequential spin cycle form) have the following duration characteristics over time...

On a table with 3 EC's...

every 2/3 hours a run of 8

every day a run of 10

every week a run of 14

every month a run of 17 in a row.

You may like to test this.

XXVV

[XXVV]

Observations within the casino.....

I have looked at first tier bets ( outside table) and second tier ( interior table includes sixlines).

There is a world of difference in mind set and relative consistency between these levels.

There are some extraordinary opportunities available to the player by analysing and tuning bets before you start play, and establishing rules for play before you start, as well as having a strategic overview - a plan.

Also another gem of practical help from Louis Holloway ( to paraphrase)....

Set out your rules and read them before you start each day's play. In my view take them with you and re-read at every break during the day. These must be understood as logical and must become second nature. Repetition is the way to learn and then practice and apply. There will be early mistakes and some rules can be refined and further refined. But keep working at it.

The expression used by Victor and those who  understand the game is "the true nature of the game of roulette". Only by understanding the true nature of the game can bets be formulated and rules and strategies best applied.

Practice is essential, again and again, until there is sufficient consistent success, and your confidence uptrends. Success attracts success.

That is hard to understand when all seems confusing and impossible, and you are down.

Have you considered that single runs in EC bets are twice as common as doubles and yet the two account for 75% of outcomes. That rings a few bells.

There is a way to harness single and double outcomes in one or several bets to give a slight edge.

By applying rules ( for example knowing what is sufficient profit in runs or in pattern play and when to stop), these bets can make you consistent profit. Also in using lateral thinking to modify your unit values (compounding with success) but also modifying if playing riskier runs.

There are other bets that can be formulated considering the relative numbers of RO/BE to BO/RE and the result outcomes, again in singles and doubles.

I have outlined schematically there about three families of bets which themselves can be applied sequentially, penultimately and in 3 EC variations. Then there is the so called PPPC bet variation and this can interface astonishingly with one of these families if you experiment laterally.

It actually boils down to eventual simple but refined bets and then the hardest part is to build a set of rules appropriate to these so as to make a consistent profit using them. A fool will always lose.

All of the above are flat bets.

Any progression is time consuming, emotionally draining, and ultimately doomed to fail.

That is why I have eliminated and ceased any research or testing on any methods that involve progressions now, however tempting and endearing they may have been.

Many of you will have, like me, spent thousands of hours in preparation, research and training for this great game. There is no limit to what perfection can be achieved in play based on the hardest task of all self-management, but there comes a time when we can say, lets eliminate the timewasters, the cul-de-sacs, the disappointments, the heartbreaks.

Back to basics and re-build from there.

And what better title than Common-Sense  to wake up from the dream and establish some key base bets as a first tier that are consistent winners.

Only once having conquered that goal can you go into the volatile world of second tier matrix betting and threads that can bring great fortune on a good day. or loss on a bad day. Having worked through the first tier work you might well say to the second tier, why bother! Thats a personal choice.

There will be some who may respond now and say we want specific bets outlined but I cant do that -this is a "framework" by definition - I would breach the trust of those who have  provided some help for me also. It is a continuous journey and each individual can invent and personalise their own special bets. There are enough permutations I believe for this to be possible and the principle is that each must work to complete the studies themselves.

You will have to trust me and others that in the areas indicated above that is where your attention should be directed for worthwhile results.

I can say that my specific results live have demonstrated to me a consistent earning within the limits earlier set out, ie approx +10 units on a risk bank of 100 units per session. Exceed those limits and get greedy and you may lose the lot for various reasons.

Now I have made mistakes daily also and am constantly having to learn from and adapt from these lessons. Nevertheless a quantum step has been taken in knowledge.

However I thought it might be good to set out my excitement and progress in principle to help and encourage others. Hope you take this the right way.

XXVV

[esoito]

You wrote:

One key variable in the professional game is the mental game in trained subconscious patterns and self conscious awareness and alertness. The difference to an untrained player is that so much of what they do is unconscious conditioned response and group mind behaviour.

Do you do any work with visualisation? (If no, it's worth a follow-up.)

It's widely used in performance fields (elite athletes, the military and so forth)..why not in seeking winning outcomes when betting?

[XXVV]

Thanks for that.

Visualisation. Yes.

In lots of ways. There is some wonderful material available and it snowballs. My emails are jammed with links on the subject because of my interest.

There are two specific books or courses though that have helped particualrly. I will have to access the tiltles and reply in detail, but both involve CD's and work with subconscious. One from Vegas!! the other from UK.

[XXVV]

In general with regard to visualisation and tuning of imagery I refer you to material from Dr Robert Anthony and Christy Whitman and a host of related writers all brilliant, and books by Paul Mckenna.

In particular for business and professional attitudes I recommend "I Can Make You Rich" by Paul Mckenna which contains an excellent hypnosis CD.

With regard to Professional Casino Play I recommend Eric Nielsen's "Inner Track - A Guide to Winning" - this consists of 3 x CD's and is available ex Vegas - Sailfish Productions.

:.professionalsinsight.com

This is a Mental Preparation approach and is excellent value at $24.95

The same publishers have an expensive series of options on Dealer Signature Theory to which I do not subscribe but there may be other insights in that for professional players.

The material above relates to an aspect of roulette play much overlooked because it goes into realms non physical which influences may at times be much more stronger than the apparent concrete physical aspects of the game. This relates to 'limitless' self knowledge as well as the influences of all present surrounding the wheel and table, staff and patrons.

Hope this helps XXVV

[esoito]

Crikey -- I didn't expect you to go to all that trouble!

But thank you. That's a very useful list.

You wrote:

The material above relates to an aspect of roulette play much overlooked because it goes into realms non physical which influences may at times be much more stronger than the apparent concrete physical aspects of the game. This relates to 'limitless' self knowledge as well as the influences of all present surrounding the wheel and table, staff and patrons.


Yes, indeed. All is energy, vibrating at different frequencies.

Germane to the quote above is Michael Talbot's book The Holographic Universe. It's made such an impact on me that I'm now in my thirteenth, consecutive reading of it!

Extremely challenging concepts written in a clear, concise, easy-to-read style from a master wordsmith.

Read that, folks, and the world will never be the same again for you...A real eye-opener to the 'real reality'. (And as a consequence I finally found a couple of profitable applications to roulette...but that's another story not for here.)

[XXVV]

Thanks for that. That book will be accessed today.

To me it is one of the most difficult challenges I know to go into a live casino, especially when busy, and consistently behave in the most professional manner. There is not a day that goes by, at this stage, where I dont fall short of the standards I am setting myself. One reason for that is that we have to work on so many levels.  Practice is essential and every possible method you can access. Since we are all unique there will an infinite number of ways.

Quantum progress has been made with bet selections, and a lot of progress in applying appropiate rules and a formula to plan the overall units required in the starting risk bank and then the number of units to be accessed step by step. Then to see how that can relate to a daily, weekly, monthly, annual, realistic goal.

But before that, self management, self knowledge, self honesty (accountability) is pivotal.

A very astute friend of mine recently stated ( to paraphrase) that we need to retain an untouchable core that can rise above and handle all the casino 'vibrations'. Part of us needs to retain an instinctual alertness for the opportunities but not to become trancelike as so many players become.

Hence, to labour the point, we need to be in 'peak' ( a relative term)  physical, mental, emotional, spiritual ( alert on all subtle levels) condition.

A tough shrewd strong exterior, but a complex core.

Well that is why they call it The Great Game.

BestXXVV

[XXVV]

Through live play testing I am toying with the idea of a never losing bet (NLB). This is subtly different from a consistent winning bet, but results in consistent profit.

The professionals will tell you there is no consistent winning bet because eventually a short term gain will fall away into loss.

Instead we have been encouraged to look for a consistent winning session or system, given emphasis on short term imbalances/ trends, particularly with regard to outside table bets. This is good advice and I believe is the key to beating roulette.

The NLB emphasises a conservative NO LOSS approach, playing safe and negating loss and excess risk exposure.

However it may be possible I believe to monitor THREE books or  'games' simultaneously, especially as the method is ABWAB.

Zero can be monitored independently, or if 'en prison' rules apply may be optional.

Sixline /achilles heel can be played flat or a conservative progression. In this usage it will not sleep. What is the longest run of ROBE outcomes you have encountered?

So called PPPC Bet can be applied when triggered.

Play can stop when sufficient profit has been made based on risk exposure appropriate return to risk formula.

For those of you who have followed my threads this shorthand may make sense.

If you are interested PM me.

XXVV

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Couple years back have played RO vers. BE/there is a thread about it somwhere on old VLS/
and RO hit 19 times without BE hitting.Was losing great deal of money night after night,playing every night from the very first spin to the very last morning spin on the very same wheel,believing it should level up,and when I lost a hope it really started doing just that.
But it took almost one month to get the money back.Never again.

[XXVV]

Yes it is slippery.

The way I am looking at it is in two parts...

a.  RO and BE combined (20 numbers - 10 splits) or  !st dozen +High.

b.  BO and RE combined (16 numbers - 8 splits)  or   3rd dozen+ Low.

It is a challenge.

[XXVV]

Am attacking this problem from a couple of angles. Will update soon.

Also thanks to the brilliant work by Colbster et al. ( Eggleston Bet) am applying that staking method to dozens as a first tier fundamental bet and in testing am achieving a consistent +5 to +10 units in 30 -50 spins. Going for 5000 spin test on this ( in quantum packets of 100 spins).