Going to Vegas

[Rickyjr1211]

First of all I want to say that im new here, I uave visited other forums but never wanted to join any because most people arent there to help but only to prove you wrong or pit others down. This forum is hamds down the best, thats what I decided to join. Thank you guys. Ok so here goes my story. I went to Vegas a year ago for the first time and to say the least I got hooked on roulette... Lol yes I lost alot of money. Im going back in a couple days. And i am now wayyy more familiar and more knowleadge.  I have practiced online and make a couple bucks. I know there is no holly grail but I will like to know what you guys recommend which system. I like to stay with outside bets... But im open to any advice. I want something that is simple and i wont look like a scientist at the tables trying to write things down or making calculations lol... I usually play red and black and bet on the color that just came up. I read somewhere that they colors never reallu come out in singles like RBRBRBRB its usually in chunks.. RBBRRRBBB... Is there a good progession system. I am looking to have a bank roll of about 300 and play at the 5 dollars table if i find any or 10.  Thank you huys for the help!!!

[Rickyjr1211]

Wow sorry for the horrible spelling.. Its hard typing on this phone!

[Proofreaders2000]

If you're going to play outside bets
with just 300 dollars you might reconsider.

With three hundred dollars you could play regular
if you are playing inside flat-bet up to five numbers @ 0.10/number.

Outside you wait all day for say a dozen to hit six
consecutive times and bet $150 on the other two dozens (all or nothing).

[ausguy]

Ricky - Welcome to the forum.

Going to Vegas - best of luck to you. (I'm down here in OZ land so a long way from Vegas).

1st up on a $5 table based on my local Sydney OZ casino table is $5 minimum for any inside number. For the EC (even chance) outside bets = R/B, O/E & H/L the limits are $25 to $1,000. From posts on CC here over time they've indicated that tables in Vegas vary their limits in line with how busy they get, something akin to peak & non peak ? As such I suggest you shoot for AM sessions (breakfast to around early noon) as these should be less busy & at lower chip levels ?

2nd with "ONLY" a $300 BR it's WAY TOO SMALL to play off a $25 EC minimum. TOO SMALL A BR is usually a recipe to FAIL ? It's way better to even postpone your trip until you save a decent BR.

As you want something simple than a double up plan may be the way to go ?

It's known as the Martingale progression. There's lot's of other progressions to study also & many safer than the Marty (less risky).
To BR it to fit the table limits needs A LOT MORE than $300. $300 is only 12 x $25 chips. $300 doesn't even make it to L4 bets on the double up plan. 3 losses to L3 is $175 gone & only & $125 left (5 chips). On CC here is a section about MM (money management) [scroll via home page] & plenty of posts well worth studying.

The Marty progressions would be L1. $25, L2. $50, L3. $100, L4. $200, L5. $400, L6. $800 & limit as L7 would be $1,600 & well past the top table limit.
Adding L1. to L6 = $1575 & min. BR. Add another $25 for some zero insurance bets on the higher outlays & it's $1,600. Then what about your other expenses ? Food, accommodation, travel ? $2 grand would maybe just be enough. There's not much worse than going somewhere & when you get there you find yourself virtually in the poor house without really getting up & running.

3rd. On another discussion today = thread "QUISHA ONE: A THREE NUMBER "UPARROW" SYSTEM". I demo an EC idea of Red then Odd alternating to Rich's test of 185 numbers. You might find that of interest in contrast to just your Red or Black idea. It doesn't need to be Red/Odd it can also be Black/Even, Red/ High, Red/Low, Red/even, Black/High, Black/Low & others. For my test I just chose Red/Odd & it did OK.

Cheers - Ausguy.

[SpinASequence]

Hi R,

My advice is to steer clear of any progressions and french sounding betting methods like l'ambert etc!

There are plenty of good methods on here. Do some research and play one that suits your style, personality and BR.

With a 300 @ 5 : you have 60 bets. That's enough to make a small profit by flat betting.

You are not gonna win BIG. Accept small gains and build your BR.

Good luck to you!

SAS

[Rickyjr1211]

Thank you guys for all the replys.


Ok let me rephrase that. I want to limit my loss to 300 a night. I will be there for three nights so that will be close to 1,000 for the trip. So i guess my actual BR. Is 1,000... I dont mind lossing all my BR in one night as I am going with my wife and three other couples and have more plans than just gambling (not my idea). But like I said I dont mind convering numbers.

[Rickyjr1211]

So I guess my question is. If your bankroll is $1,000 and you were at a 10 dollar table what would you play?

[Chris555p]

Hi R

From my experience I win a lot more playing ec's.
But not playing the way Mr Casino wants me to play
such as R/B; H/L; O/E......It costs too much as Ausguy
rightly pointed out.

I simply bet 3 double street which costs a lot less......lol lol

I have been playing like this for years and it works perfectly for me.

Concerning progressions there are some very good ones in the forum.


Cheers


Chris

[Rickyjr1211]

Sorry for my lack of roulette linguistics. But what are ec's? And do you do flat betting? Switch the numbers up or stick with the same ones the whole time?

[ausguy]

Ricky - (EC = Even Chance bets R/B, O/E etc.) Now things are a lot clearer. With your wife & 2 x 2 other couples to distract you, you'll be hard pressed to make continued structured disciplined bets, especially if others with you are there to have fun & are generally making bets with no logic & trusting their results to Lady Luck.

$1,000 @ $10 chips is 100 chips & inside number plays. 3 double streets (same as x3 - 6 lines) not counting the zero's is 50% of the numbers covered & 100 % return on your bet on any win. 3 dbl streets costs $30 min. (3 x 10). So with a $300 stop loss per night it could mean (if lose) you end night 1 @ BR $700, night 2 @ $400 & night 3 @ $100 & probably $nil as the last $100 become HAIL MARY bets as you place $10 chips randomly ?

3 dbl streets could be 6 numbers covered on each dozen say 1 - 6, 13 - 18 & 25 -30. Flat bet you get 10 X $30 = $300 risk & 10 chances to win. At 50/50 chances to win or lose (not counting the zero's) you need a better than 50% win rate to profit. You could also do a 3 level double up progression of outlay 30, 60 & 120 = total risk $230 (any more takes you well past your 30% stop loss).

What I suggest is that you pretest a little before your Vegas trip & have your strategy worked out prior to setting foot inside the "HOUSE OF SIN".  Once at the table team up with THE BOSS (wife) & have her place the chips as you "DIRECT" the bets (track in writing via a casino card or similar). That way THE BOSS has the excitement of any wins & is less likely (in theory HA! HA!) to deviate from the bet plan. Also, again in theory, all your friends could bet as you do either SAME AS or OPPOSITE TO ?

From what I've seen with groups of friends at the casino they mostly spread themselves around the games as they wander the gaming floor making a bet here & a bet there. The casino's love that as the odds are always on their side. The best way to go $$$$/mathematically would be to combine all your BR's & concentrate your bets with a higher progression & split the profits? Perhaps workable in theory but not in practice ?

As your latest post just came in I'd suggest you stick to the same numbers/bet pattern as in relative $ terms your BR (bank roll) & stop loss limits (restricts) your play options. Make sure you record your bet spins & even many more non bet spins. This allows you to test ideas & see where things went wrong if you lost, especially if you're there for 3 nights.

[Rickyjr1211]

Hahaha funny reply. And thanks! But BOSS (wife) and friends will not come in between me and my dear friend the roulette lol. I dont think my friends are going to gamble much. Like i said the 300 bucks a night was just to give you guys an idea. But if i have to spend the 1000 of gambling money in one night to have a better chance of some winnings thats cool too.

[Chris555p]

Stick with 3 Double Street u can't go wrong....; even though the dealer, pitboss may
start look at u funny after a while if u winning ........lol lol

[Rickyjr1211]

Lol thanks Chris! Flat betting?

[ausguy]

Chris - Would the pit boss worry about someone winning $30 ? Especially on a layout full of chips ? My experience is that on low level bet wins it's all HO HUM for the dealer/supervisor/pit boss ?

[Chris555p]

A soft progression is better .....Some ideas are in this link.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14684.msg124213#msg124213