Some ideas on table layout betting. (Subject modified)

[falkor]

OMG, I AM SO PROUD OF THIS SPREADSHEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Now we can get down to figuring out some rules - YEAH!!! 

[SamNL]

Wow!

I don't really understand it yet but it looks amazing!

[Rewster88]

Good work! I also still dont know how to put this info in a good clear system.

[warrior]

Warrior,

In the quote above, there were two numbers missing from the series of 37 numbers that were posted by falkor and then RFMAXX for study.  Given these two numbers (in red below), would you bet this session differently? Also, i see one loss and two wins.  Does that mean you only bet three times in this session?

15 33 20 4 0 30 10 30 11 4 10 28 2 21
                                                                                 W on the 21 , even better no L on the 2 I did go back and  check but I now I  missed  something .
3 0 16 21 30 31 9 28 26  24 31 2 10 13 2  33 0 10 30 19 8  35 26

[warrior]

Ok let's go with the above series of numbers.  I will play Sherlock Holmes.  I see three bets on the following three states:

Bet #1

1-6: 4 4

7-12: 11 10

13-18: 15

19-24: 20

25-30: 30 28

31-36: 33

On Bet #1, it appears Warrior waited until six lines had opened, and three had closed, before betting on 1-3 of the open lines.  Since the next number was 2, that bet would have been lost, since that one hit on a line that was closed already. 

Bet #2

1-6: 4 4 2

7-12: 11 10

13-18: 15

19-24: 20

25-30: 30 28

31-36: 33

Bet #2 appears to have been a repeat of Bet #1, betting on 1-3 open lines for one of them to close.  21 came and closed at least one of the lines being bet on for a win.


Bet #3

1-6: 4 4 2 3 2

7-12: 11 10 9

13-18: 15 16

19-24: 20 21 21 24

25-30: 30 28 30 28 26

31-36: 33 31 31

Bet #3 would have been placed under the above state of affairs, where all six lines are closed.  If that were the case, I don't understand the logic of the bet selection from this data, and can only ask Warrior, is this the state you were betting on?



Mystery Bet

1-6: 3 2

7-12: 9

13-18: 16

19-24:  21 24

25-30: 30 31 28 26 31

31-36: 

On the other hand, if Warrior started re-tracking after the first win, then the third bet would have been on something like the above, where three of the lines are already closed. In that case, his third bet would have been similar to his first two.

Everyone will come to there own way of betting, the idea is what I'm trying to teach because there are many variables to this idea but only one of them is really good.

[warrior]

OMG, I AM SO PROUD OF THIS SPREADSHEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Now we can get down to figuring out some rules - YEAH!!! 

Go for it Falkor I know you will find a way to bet this so it wins consistently !!!

[warrior]

I have 3 ways that I use this idea and they all win.

[psimoes]

Hi everyone. This is my first post!

I have 3 ways that I use this idea and they all win.

That's great! So would you mind sharing at least one?

Thank you!

[RouletteGhost]

Lord almighty falkor thanks for your time and dedication but explain!!

[falkor]

Basic Rules (not including MM)

Any volunteers to explain the basics for RouletteGhost and co?

Starting session/bankroll, the beginning of the cycle and closing the first DS.

*The beginning of the cycle is crucial to understanding how the rest of the set will play out.

*You can incur a gap of 0-12 losses before the first DS closes at spin 2-13.

*Quick closes will occur more frequently than long closures (average is 3 spins for DS 1), but you still need a big bankroll to allow for a potential progression (beginning with a few flat-bets) of up to 12 losses.

*Repeats can help cut down the max opening progression from about 12 down to 8, and early ones can also play a part in reducing later losses (see below).

*Playing 5 simultaneous DSs requires a bankroll of at least 1,000, but is only likely to miss during 1 situation when 6 DSs are open and you were forced to miss out a bet.

*Missing out certain bets and playing a maximum of 3 DSs - cornering the open DSs based on those that have repeated and those open in the same dozen - is recommended to keep the bankroll at less than 500; simply moving to 4+ DSs will double that requirement.

*Sometimes you will miss the first DS and/or accompanying repeats - particularly after 6 DSs have opened without a close (2% of the time), so the first half of the set can be quite chaotic at times. Can the 2nd be missed too playing up to 3 DSs - even with effective cornering? If so a higher bankroll may be needed or stop loss (or missing out more bets, i.e virtual losses).

*The quicker the first DS closes the more proceeding danger there is of a larger gap before any one (only one!) of the next DSs (or collection of evenly distributed medium gaps).

*The longer the first DS takes to close the quicker the 2nd DS will close:
Spin #2-6 = up to 14 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #7 = up to 11 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #8-10 = up to 8 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #11 = up to 4 spins for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #12-13 (including minimum of 3 repeats) = up to 3 spins for DS 2 (average 0-1)

*Though DS 3-4 do not concern us at the beginning, they are also heavily affected by the opening DS, so thinking ahead is wise:
Spin #12-13 - the longest gap before DS 1 closes - means DS 2,3 and 4 will close in a maximum of 2,6 and 5 spins respectively. That's quite a revelation considering that DS 3 to DS 4 under normal circumstances can have a losing streak of up to 23, so the reduction is drastic! Further medium gaps in the proceeding DSs means even less spins for DS 3-4 to close.

*High opening gaps in combination with 1 or more repeats can also reduce the spins between hits for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th; in this way DS 2 is affected as follows:
Spin #2-6 + 1 repeat = 14 spins down to 13 max for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #2-6 + 2 repeats = 14 spins down to 8 max for DS 2 (average 2)
Spin #2-6 + 3 repeats = 14 spins down to 3 max for DS 2 (average 2)
Spin #7 + 1-3 repeats = 11 spins down to 7-11 max for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #7 + 4 repeats = 11 spins down to 4 max for DS 2 (average 4)
Spin #8-10 + 1-3 repeats = 8 spins down to 6-8 max for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #8-10 + 4 repeats = 8 spins down to max 5 for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #8-10 + 5 repeats = 8 spins down to max 2 for DS 2 (average 1)
Spin #11 + 1-5 repeats = 4 spins down to max 1-4 for DS 2 (average 0)
Spin #12-13 + 5 repeats = 3 spins down to max 1 for DS 2 (average 0)

*Once 3 DSs have been closed then you are unlikely to miss the 4th DS because you go back to playing the remaining 3 open DSs simultaneously, so "half time" is over, the 2nd half begins, and you can even consider going for the 5th DS depending on what spin number you are at and how many repeats you had in total - perhaps just betting the unhit individual numbers of the remaining two!

[Proofreaders2000]

This kinda reminds me of Winkel's GUT system, except with Lines instead of single bets.

[falkor]

This kinda reminds me of Winkel's GUT system, except with Lines instead of single bets.

I'm sorry, but this is WAY beyond winkel's gut! With the first crossing you are betting up to 18 numbers that can lose 8 times in a row though he only lets you lose those 18 chips x 3 before heading for the next disaster! winkel cannot win every set, but warrior can! Even winkel's claims that he ended up in the positive after 4 million spins cannot be substantiated.

[psimoes]

So, in terms of bet selection, how would we procceed?

[falkor]

So, in terms of bet selection, how would we procceed?

Next test will be to get the simulator to tell us how best to "corner" the open DSs based on different situations.
*warrior says dozens and repeats
*Orochi says any DSs next to each other and repeats
*Somebody said only DSs outside the dozens.
*And do we follow repeats or those that haven't repeated?
*How many DSs 1-3 to bet per situation?

This is a very exciting time in the history of gambling! We shall have our answers soon... 

I'm confident this system cannot lose and remain within half the table limits for infinite profit. Orochi is already preparing for Vegas! 

[falkor]

Mystery Bet

1-6: 3 2

7-12: 9

13-18: 16

19-24:  21 24

25-30: 30 31 28 26 31

31-36: 

On the other hand, if Warrior started re-tracking after the first win, then the third bet would have been on something like the above, where three of the lines are already closed. In that case, his third bet would have been similar to his first two.

Re-tracking/"jumping back" is something we can research in the future for online play only.