Some ideas on table layout betting. (Subject modified)

[SamNL]

I'm confident this system cannot lose and remain within half the table limits for infinite profit. Orochi is already preparing for Vegas! 

[RFMAXX]

falkor...i will send you a pm later with a bet analysis from warriors +- wins.
and the end, it is clear how to bet...only the beginning of the bet is something to figure out.
maybe we can solve it together.

[falkor]

Sounds good, RFMAXX - look forward to it! 

TEST 1A - which DS(s) will close first without a repeat

Open = 4
Closed = 0
Repeats = 0

1-6: N

7-12: N

13-18:

19-24:

25-30: N

31-36: N

I predict those 4 DSs have the same equal chance of closing quickest. We can only bet max 3, so the best option is to not bet at all, though you could randomly choose 3 of the 4 DSs depending on bankroll.

What will the simulator tell us? 

[vladir]

falkor...i will send you a pm later with a bet analysis from warriors +- wins.
and the end, it is clear how to bet...only the beginning of the bet is something to figure out.
maybe we can solve it together.

It is? I can imagine a couple of ways of mixing betting repeating DS's or missing DS's. I think it's not clear, or did I miss a piece along the way?

And the beginning...  I though that the clear part was the begining - to aim for the DS's imediatly as they come up, up to at least 3... I'm still not sure as to stop at 3,4,5 or only stop at 6...

[RFMAXX]

PM sent...interested of your thoughts

[falkor]

It is? I can imagine a couple of ways of mixing betting repeating DS's or missing DS's. I think it's not clear, or did I miss a piece along the way?

And the beginning...  I though that the clear part was the begining - to aim for the DS's imediatly as they come up, up to at least 3... I'm still not sure as to stop at 3,4,5 or only stop at 6...

There's a beginning, middle and an end (possibly 4 phases in total):
1) 1-3 Open DSs (clear)
2) 4-6 Open DSs (sometimes we don't even reached this chaotic stage)
3) DS 3 closes leaving 3 open (clear)
4) Switch to numbers? (uncertain at the current time)

[falkor]

TEST 1B - which DS(s) will close first without a repeat

Open = 4
Closed = 0
Repeats = 0

1-6: N

7-12: N

13-18: N

19-24:

25-30: N

31-36:

[vladir]

There's a beginning, middle and an end (possibly 4 phases in total):
1) 1-3 Open DSs (clear)
2) 4-6 Open DSs (sometimes we don't even reached this chaotic stage)
3) DS 3 closes leaving 3 open (clear)
4) Switch to numbers? (uncertain at the current time)

Yes, 1) for me is the most clear one.
But what then? What you do on the 2) ?  No bet and wait for 3) ?
And do we start a progression on the 3) to recover the losses in 1) ?

[falkor]

But what then? What you do on the 2) ?  No bet and wait for 3) ?

That is a variation I suggested. And others have suggested theirs in the previous pages of this topic. The tests I am currently running (in blue) will give us definitive answers.

And do we start a progression on the 3) to recover the losses in 1) ?

I can't say yet until all the tests have finished, bet selection determined for all situations during the chaotic stage, and then finally with that strategy put to the test to find out the maximum losing streak. Once we know the maximum losing streak for the definitive strategy then we can figure out the progression.

But yeah - we will be starting a progression on 3 - but am not yet in a position to crunch any numbers.

[RFMAXX]

for everybody:

Spin   Number   DS   Profit         
1   5   1            
2   6   1            
3   30   5            
4   10   2   5   cant figure out how to start and where      
5   5   1   4   warrior makes the first +4…then he plays       
6   27   5   3   only one ds because it goes -1 to 4 and -1 to 3      
7   19   4      then he bets two ds because it goes from      
8   34   6      3 to 1      
9   25   5      from 1 he plays three ds i guess…see the following      
10   21   4            
11   15   3   1   betting ds 2,3,6 ?      
12   2   1   -2   betting ds 2,3,6 ?      
13   8   2   1   win, +6 -3 = 3, close ds 2 betting ds 3,6      
14   30   5   -1   lost, -2 betting ds 3,6          3 units each?      
15   4   1   -7   lost, -6 betting ds 3,6       8 units each?
16   21   4   -23   lost, -16 betting ds 3,6      9 units each?
17   3   4   -41   lost, -18 betting ds 3,6      14 units each?
18   35   6   15   win, + 56, close 6 play last ds 3 1 unit      
19   13   3   20   win, +5      
                  
These are the numbers from orochis excel file, post 66 + 68                  
warrior said that the winning is on the 19th spin                  
with the following profit                  
                  
how can we put that into a formula?                  
greetings, max                  

[falkor]

TEST 1B - which DS(s) will close first without a repeat

Open = 4
Closed = 0
Repeats = 0

1-6: N

7-12: N

13-18: N

19-24:

25-30: N

31-36:

Final results are not yet in - but this is looking like a victory for warrior! 

[warrior]

VICTORY 

[Proofreaders2000]

Could someone please make a tracker for this?

[SamNL]

VICTORY 

[falkor]

TEST 1B - which DS(s) will close first without a repeat

Open = 4
Closed = 0
Repeats = 0

1-6: N

7-12: N

13-18: N

19-24:

25-30: N

31-36:

1-6: 25.7801899592944%

7-12: 26.729986431479%

13-18: 23.202170963365%

19-24: 0%

25-30: 24.2876526458616%

31-36: 0%

These results could change drastically given a repeat (before/after)... so we will revisit that in a future series of tests.

Halfway through the test it was looking like this before the law of large numbers kicked in:

Sets: 36328

1-6: 25.8426966292135%

7-12: 28.6516853932584%

13-18: 20.5056179775281%

19-24: 0%

25-30: 25%

31-36: 0%