Some ideas on table layout betting. (Subject modified)

[nottophammer]

Nickmsi
WOW to be able to code that sheet
=IF($a27<>" " , and theres more.
Is there a book for dummies to start learning

[falkor]

OK, as we say over here in USA, "It's time to put up or shut up".

Warrior is a Brick and Mortar Roulette player.  I am an On Line Bot player.  I have tested many of Warriors past systems as well as 100's of others.

In my opinion, this is one of the better attacks on random.  I like it because it is finite, it is cyclical, it starts with a repeat and ends with one.  You start betting for a repeat of every  line (DS) spun and stop betting when the 4th DS gets it's second repeat.

Here's the bet selection that I tested:

1.  Bet every DS spun.

2.  When a DS gets 2 hits, stop betting it.

3.  When you get 3 DS that have 2 or more hits, start betting the 3 remaining DS until one of them gets a 2nd hit.  End of Session.

The What to bet is actually not as important as how much to bet.  The progression and money management is the big key.

I have excel trackers for every numberset possible, ie, for even chances, dozens, columns, lines, streets etc.  I took one of my Line(DS) Trackers, "Between the Lines", and modified it with the above bet selection.

I tested it for 200,000 spins betting every spin except when you have 6 unique Lines appear, then I virtual bet for one spin.  I test in 5,000 spin sessions as that is how I would use a bot, 5,000 spins is about one nights work.

The results are attached.

Although this won every session, the progression needs to be improved to reduce the amount of drawdown. 

I have also attached my "Between the Lines" tracker so any and all can test with this bet selection.  The tracker only has a flat bet amount.  It does not win with flat betting.

It is up to each of you to determine your own  best progression. 

I for one, thank you Warrior for your insights.

Cheers

Nick

Finally.... some real effort, appreciation, and understanding for warrior and his system by somebody who is more than qualified! I vote to get Warrior's prison sentence reduced.... and yes, it's all about MM, hence I do not yet have the progressions ready. This is not something that can be rushed. People should be a bit more tolerant. This is a No BS system and Nick is a No BS player! Great work on those spreadsheets BTW. 

[falkor]

Nickmsi
WOW to be able to code that sheet
=IF($a27<>" " , and theres more.
Is there a book for dummies to start learning

It's bloody amazing... I've saved it in case this forum gets shut down by the CIA.

[Nickmsi]

falkor and nottophammer . . .

Over at Vic's new forum at the following address, I will have a section on coding in Excel and coding the Excel sheet for a bot.  All is free.

link:://betsoftware.cc/index.php

[falkor]

Sweet deal, Nick! 

Let's have some big-ups for Nick and the Warrior....!  Again, this is an important time in the history of gambling.

We all need to stick together and not have these petty arguments! We are all in it to win it!!

[GLC]

I can't help but be interested in a system that Nick gives a tip-of-the-hat to especially when he also gives a clear and succinct explanation of how to play it.  That's all I needed.  I'm off to the races.

Thanks Warrior, Falkor, Nickmsi and others.

Thanks also to Iggiv and Turner for standing guard for the troops.  I don't know if what you're saying is true but I appreciate that your intentions are good.  I know that Iggiv has had to slap my hands a couple of times in the distant past, but he never drew blood so I could never say, "He drew first blood, Sir. He drew first blood."

Good luck to all and to all a good night.

GLC

[iggiv]

thnx GLC.

I don't remember slapping your hand though. Does not matter. Sorry if something i did wrong.

as to Falkor's posting about a great day in the gambling history i am getting scared that those guys now may shut down casinos for good. Like with Terminator movie where people created machines which destroyed their creators, now this great day in a history of gambling may shut down this history. If people start winning on double street like this. This street is gonna turn into no exit street. And no entrance as well.

[SamNL]

Sweet deal, Nick! 

Let's have some big-ups for Nick and the Warrior....!  Again, this is an important time in the history of gambling.

We all need to stick together and not have these petty arguments! We are all in it to win it!!

I totally agree with you Falkor

[falkor]

thnx GLC.

I don't remember slapping your hand though. Does not matter. Sorry if something i did wrong.

as to Falkor's posting about a great day in the gambling history i am getting scared that those guys now may shut down casinos for good. Like with Terminator movie where people created machines which destroyed their creators, now this great day in a history of gambling may shut down this history. If people start winning on double street like this. This street is gonna turn into no exit street. And no entrance as well.

A real statement from the heart! Respect!! I hear you... now might be the real time to delete this topic! Since, we have come to the realisation of the reality of this situation, I really don't know what to do or whether I'll even get an opportunity to play this in the casino, times are so uncertain right now. Anything that happens from now on, though, is up to mods like iggiv... there's no right or wrong whatever decisions are made from this point onwards... most important thing is honesty.

[iggiv]

LOL.
i was kidding Falkor.

take it easy. Good luck bud. Hopefully this all will work out.

[falkor]

LOL.
i was kidding Falkor.

take it easy. Good luck bud. Hopefully this all will work out.

[JimmieB]

Guys,

Here we go...

I’ve been trying to figure out this system since almost the start, speaking with several of the members about how it might work, and Nick’s post is similar to my thinking about how this system may work, please note this is just observations, maybe Falkor can look at it more detail based on my thoughts below....

As Nick mentioned progression and MM is key, which I agree with; I believe you set yourself a target for each session, nothing new there, and depending on the initial few spins, this determines how you are going to attempt to win this, you don’t bet until 2 DSs have showed, and, I think you do not bet anymore than 3 DS’s at one time, possibly even no more than 2.

For example, you attempt to win your target on the first bet after the 2 DSs have shown, you lose, you now need the lost units + your target,  to reach your goal, say it turns out we end up having 5 DSs show in those first 5 spins, we have to consider, if 5 DSs have shown in the first 5 spins, then 5 are going to fill within the 37 spins, (likewise if 4 show in 4 spins, 4  complete, 6 show etc.) so we break our target  down in a way that would allow us to win our goal, betting not more than when 3 DS’s are available to bet, or possibly 2, until  we reach out target. This means we have to be very dynamic in the progression and how we play it, for example we get some the target when filling 2 to 3, then the remainder from 3 to 4, or, possibly having the target spilt further trying to get 4 to 5 DS to fill, our game plan changes depending on the current situation, hence the dynamic nature of it.

The above is not exact, just my general thoughts,  and I hope it makes sense, I’m thinking out loud as I type, and as it’s Friday, I’ve had a few beers, meaning I might be talking absolute rubbish, please feel free to let me know

Hopefully my opinion might generate some further chat, I don’t have anything more to offer on this, these are my final thoughts, I’ve racked my brain regarding this, maybe I’m one of the guys who can’t think outside the box....

Jim

[falkor]

You're on the right-track... ideally, we will need to start a new progression each time a DS closes - possibly after a repeat too - based on balance and spin # that the DS closed on. You start with a potential losing streak of 12 or 8, and each time you get a medium-long losing streak you will "buy" quicker win streaks on subsequent DSs. So by the time you get to trying to close DS 4 or 5 you will know exactly when it's due... hopefully in, say, 3 spins, so you can start the final progression with a higher value.

[iggiv]

Falkor if a method needs progression....be careful with it. It may win for long time before it totally crashes and you lose everything that you gained and more. Just a friendly reminder.

[falkor]

Well, I can't see a losing set in 70K+ that I tested (or one that would even come close to the table limits), and the reason this could be the grail is that it's based on 3-10 stages of dynamic "staggered" progressions within 1 set - each progression based on how the previous progressions performed.