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Single dozens with progression

Started by psimoes, Jan 20, 06:22 PM 2015

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psimoes

Just finished this and have not much time left. Would be interested to know how many spins it takes before it tanks. Will explain the bet selection tomorrow. Test away, tweak away.

Progression: 1-2-3 2-3-6 3-6-9 4-8-12
                     5-10-15 6-12-18 7-14-21 8-16-24
                     9-18-27 10-20-30 11-22-33 12-24-36

                or: 5-10-15 10-20-30 15-30-45 20-40-60
                     25-50-75 30-60-90 35-70-105 40-80-120
                     45-90-135 50-100-150 55-110-165 60-120-180

Thanks.
[Math+1] beats a Math game

RouletteGhost

When you get a chance explain how to play it. I see the progression but how is it played. When you you move up etc
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

link:[url="s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o"]s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o[/url]

thelaw

Great work!!! Looking forward to more testing :)

Btw - tested a bunch of the same patterns from the Odd/Even thread, with failures across the board, hence no more posts from me on that thread.

One last thing, I always ask myself a simple question about any system or progression :

In all the decades that Roulette has been studied, what are the chances that someone missed this?

The strategy presented above is similar to the Ching-a-Ling System - worked for several months and then tanked (although the author claims he is still ahead).

Might work with a good stop-loss........just my $.02 :)

Thanks again for all the hard work! :)
You sir.......are a monster!!!

thelaw

One more thought.... What about dividing the wheel into thirds and playing those numbers as dozens?

May be more complicated, but have a better hit ratio :)
You sir.......are a monster!!!

Chris555p

Progression without a high quality bet selection will always fail.....; Unless we have eveidence of the high quality of the
bet selection it is a waste of time and energy to test anything at this point. Just my 0.02

psimoes

Bet selection:
For a run.of-two dozens there are nine possible outcomes - 11, 12, 13, 21, 22, 23, 31, 32, 33.

We arrive at a table and note the last two outcomes. spin #1: 8 (1st dozen). Spin #2: 1 (1st dozen). Dozen 1 followed dz1. This is a mini-trend. Next time dz1 hits, we bet it gets followed by dz1.

8   1            
1   1            

Since the last outcome was dz1, we can bet right away. We will bet that new dozen (dz1) is followed by dz1.

6   1   W   5   10   New High

Since the last outcome was dz1, we can bet right away. We will bet that new dozen (dz1) is followed by dz1.


10   1   W   5   20   New High

Since the last outcome was dz1, we can bet right away. We will bet that new dozen (dz1) is followed by dz1.

31   3   L   5   15   

Number 31 hits. belongs to dz3. It's a Loss. Next time dz1 hits we bet it will be followed by dz3.
Now we don't bet because we must know which dozen comes after dz3.

25   3

Number25 hits. belongs to dz3. Next time dz3 hits, we bet it will be followed by dz3. We will bet right away, since dz3 has just hit.         

11   1   L   10   5   Lowest

Number 11 hits. Belongs to dz1. Next time dz3 hits, we will bet it is followed by dz1.
Now since dz1 was the last outcome, we bet it will be followed by dz3.

30   3   W   15   35   New High

Number 30 hits. belongs to dz3. It's a Win. Next time dz1 hits, we will bet again it will be followed by dz3.
Now since dz3 is the last outcome, we bet it will be followed by dz1.


35   3   L   5   30   

35 hits. It's dz3. A loss. Next time dz3 hits, we bet dz3.

35   3   W   10   50   New High

dz3 hits. Win. Keep betting dz3 is followed by dz3.

7   1   L   5   45   

dz1 hits. next time dz3 hits we will bet dz1 follows it.
Now dz1 is the last outcome. We will bet it's followed by dz3.

31   3   W   10   65   New High

Win. Dz3 hits. We are betting dz3 is followed by dz1. Bet dz1.

8   1   W   5   75   New High

Win. Dz1 hits. We are betting dz1 is followed by dz3. bet dz3.

29   3   W   5   85   New High

Win. Bet dz1

0   ZERO   L   5   80   

Loss. Keep betting dz1.

9   1   W   10   100   New High

Win.

Dozen 2 hasn't hit yet. When it hits wait to see which dozen follows, so that next time dz2 hits you know what dz to bet.
[Math+1] beats a Math game

thelaw

Hey There,

Not to pile on here, but I just did a quick count of hits in the sample, and it comes out to about 1/3 (expected average for dozens).

GLC has suggested to look for a sample with a win rate of only 17% to test dozens progressions.

This will definitely average out over time. The only question is how many spins needed to hit average.

Just my $.02 :)
You sir.......are a monster!!!

psimoes

Progression: 1-2-3 2-4-6 3-6-9 4-8-12
                     5-10-15 6-12-18 7-14-21 8-16-24
                     9-18-27 10-20-30 11-22-33 12-24-36

                or: 5-10-15 10-20-30 15-30-45 20-40-60
                     25-50-75 30-60-90 35-70-105 40-80-120
                     45-90-135 50-100-150 55-110-165 60-120-180

Progression corrected.

Start betting 1 unit. If you win, keep betting 1u. If you lose, move up to the next step. Bet 2u. If you win, reset to betting 1u. If you lose move up to next step. Bet 3u. If win reset to 1u. If lost, move to second level and bet 2u. If win keep on that level until break even or new high. if lost, move up to the next step of that level and bet 4u. If win reset to first step of that level and bet 2u until break even or new high. And so on.
[Math+1] beats a Math game

psimoes

Quote from: thelaw on Jan 21, 09:49 AM 2015
Hey There,

Not to pile on here, but I just did a quick count of hits in the sample, and it comes out to about 1/3 (expected average for dozens).

GLC has suggested to look for a sample with a win rate of only 17% to test dozens progressions.

This will definitely average out over time. The only question is how many spins needed to hit average.

Just my $.02 :)


Hello! I don care much about the bet selection, to be honest. It's based on stiff patterns and will eventually tank. I'm more interested to know for how many spins the progression will stand on its own. It's originally intended for EC bets, but like all progressions for ECs it performs well with dozens.

For wheel sectors it's an idea not yet tested. Good point.
[Math+1] beats a Math game

psimoes

The bet selection was originally intended for Double Dozens. Flat-betting preferable.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15232.msg130555#msg130555

For Single Dozens, Ls become Ws (except when Zero hits) and Ws become Ls. So a progression is needed.

[Math+1] beats a Math game

psimoes

Quote from: Chris555p on Jan 21, 12:39 AM 2015
Progression without a high quality bet selection will always fail.....; Unless we have eveidence of the high quality of the
bet selection it is a waste of time and energy to test anything at this point. Just my 0.02

Wait... do you really believe there are "High Quality" bet selections? That will never fail a progression?
[Math+1] beats a Math game

psimoes

BTW as it isn't mentioned anywhere in the spreadsheets, It was the full session at SBWB Table 3 from 01.20.2015. Sorry.

Minimum BR for that session would have to be Lowest drawdown + next stake (spin #161) = 320 + 135 = 455 (91u).

Thinking of running more tests everyday at the same table to see if the progression holds up. One full session a day. Should I continue with the 865 profit? Or should I start from zero?





[Math+1] beats a Math game

psimoes

Duhhhh. Did I say everyday? Tanked already LOL!

Forget it. Not even trying separate banks for all 9 outcomes.

Still interested to know what is a "High Quality" bet selection...

FTR it was table 3 from SBWB yesterday - 235 spins, 231 bets, 150 Ls, 75 Ws, 6 zeros. Flat betting either on SDs or DDs would break even except for the 6 losses due to the zeros. No surprises.
[Math+1] beats a Math game

Chris555p

Of course there are such bet selection; However, u will probably not find it freely on display
on public forums.

psimoes

[Math+1] beats a Math game

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