Vaddis Holy Grail

[RFMAXX]

vaddi dont stop after 37 spins...

"The 37-spin cycle is not of the greatest importance as such, because you can play the system for long period sessions. However, you should make a profit within 185 spins."

[RFMAXX]

37 spins (= 37 bets in terms of single and group bets)

I've played up to 296 spins (8 cycles) and discovered that doing so is a waste of time because better and faster profits are within 24 - 74 spins.

[atlantis]

Please clarify if you have to have 8 results with no repeats on the marquee before starting...
I got good results if I started without this. Vaddi says you can start ANY TIME.
So I began my series of 8 bets in Phase 1 by betting the last number hit and simply added the following numbers until a hit or until a max of 8 numbers had been played without a hit.
A.

[RFMAXX]

there is a contradiction...hey said: arrive at table and start to bet...

then he said:

"You can start betting on your magic X numbers at ANY TIME. Look at the marquee and wait until there are NO REPEATS in your set of X numbers, then start betting on all those X numbers. Caching!"

[falkor2k15]

I noticed that contradiction, too! What's the purpose of phase 1? Presumably it's to catch a double more than a single, but then a lot of the singles/doubles that do land are outside of the 8 spin radar by phase 2; he fails to mention the mathematics of roulette and his system within that context. So the mechanics of his system is based more around how many singles/doubles fall within a rolling set of 8 spins, based on recently hit numbers.

[6th-sense]

heres a version of catch the 8 train of the great mr j,s system...you can use it for speed to collect the repeat numbers/...adjust profit and stoploss on top...just one of many variations i had nick make me...read through the subject and thought it was pretty interesting as catch the 8 train in itself is pretty good ...ive also including a varition using splits...which u can enter the amount of virtual losses in bfore betting...as usual both work on the excel bot....which is only good for testing these days...and again i see links to systems referring to number groups ...like ignatus latest system and along the lines dyslexic was hinting at

[falkor2k15]

I coded that 8 train one a few days ago, as it happens, and it failed - but what I've learnt in general is that if you only bet on numbers that have repeated the most times then the progressions needed to hit them become significantly shorter (no advantage to flat-betting there I found). That finding is going to be my next project, but I need to finish this one first.

Regarding Vaddi's grail(?), I am currently testing phase 1 to see if the singles match the doubles in terms of running totals - or whether we should ditch the singles and bring them in for phase 2+. After 1,000 spins the running total stands at 38 / 47, but I am now running that same test over 10,000 spins.

Observation re: phase 2 - when the running totals of the singles and doubles climb neck and neck, the set generally ends with a profit, but when one is significantly higher than the other (usually the doubles higher than the singles) then that fluctuation/deviation spells doom. That phase I'll be analysing in more detail after phase 1.

[falkor2k15]

Results are already in: 416 / 417 (how close is that!?  )

So I think the singles are needed as much as the doubles for phase 1?

Next test on phase 1 (singles vs. doubles only) is a test of profit/loss over the 10,000.

[falkor2k15]

I found there was a small bug in the number of singles being reported - 50 too many (or about an 1/8th) due to a number landing in the current set from the last spin of a previous set (should have been reported as a double). That's been fixed - so there are actually less singles in phase 1 - and it's more profitable to only bet on doubles, it seems, from another test I did.

[falkor2k15]

Next test is for phase 2 only - running totals of Singles/Doubles over a maximum 74 spin cycle (10,000 spins). 1,000 spins = 198 / 162

[RFMAXX]

how to deal with that hint?

"How could you use already landed numbers to 'predict' numbers that are likely to land next?

No, you can't precisely predict which number will land next, but there's a way to get as close as you possibly can.

it has do with observing how numbers connect to each other after every 4 spins, based on the pairs table. "

now its 4 spin cycles using the pair table?

will do some more hand tests later...
max

[falkor2k15]

Results are looking like this, but I am going to run it again based on a 37 spin cycle:
1311 / 2261

I am also going to see which spin number has the most singles or repeats, so we can determine the "shape" of a typical set to indicate whether we should be betting on singles or doubles. If the spins come out equal then I guess we need to bet on whatever is trailing behind (singles or doubles) unless one is always higher than the other in which case we will have a different benchmark. Edit: or we might run into a "waves" problem.

I am running this test over 1 million spins, but will start reporting results after 50K.

now its 4 spin cycles using the pair table?

will do some more hand tests later...
max

I tried that in my early tests as well. Tomorrow I will repeat my current test under those circumstances. For the semi-finals I can then tailor the simulator for 8/4 pairs/spin cycles to see which one comes out on tops in terms of profit.

[petespin]

i have the feeling that this thread could be very long , but then iam thinking that perhaps vaddi hes around and hes smile looking all of us to try to decode his systen , it would be great to come and speak about it !

[RFMAXX]

i have the feeling that this thread could be very long , but then iam thinking that perhaps vaddi hes around and hes smile looking all of us to try to decode his systen , it would be great to come and speak about it !

that would be nice! give us more hints vaddi!

[falkor2k15]

50K - pattern is already clear

558 / 1715 = x 3 total Doubles over Singles.

Below, Doubles always higher than Singles. Singles start out higher then gradually fall; Doubles start out low before gradually rising towards the end of the cycle.