american wheel. quads

[thelaw]

Perhaps there is a way to money-manage the sh*t out of this to create a workable long-term system..........

[RouletteGhost]

Perhaps there is a way to money-manage the sh*t out of this to create a workable long-term system..........

That's my goal. Shouldnt be too hard

Just have to try different ways

I had too much flat bet success. Not to mention the consecutive loss rarely breaches 4

[doola]

I did near the beginning of the thread. And a member put it into a bot and had 5 loss consecutively max in 15 thousand spins

Plus i have no reason to lie i posted the pictures in this thead as well

Sorry u had bad sessions but it does not reflect the hit rate

Not to mention onetaste is winning with it in atlantic city and tomla had good results to. Such is azim. Who admits it will drown u if not played properly

You have never posted spin files in this thread from what I have seen, just some graphics that prove nothing except how to place the bet for this method.  We just have your word that you did well.  All who posted that they didn't do well with this including Proofreader2000, myself and helena you have rubbished.

Said it before. Unless you use marty and that also aggressive marty, no other progression will work.

Look at the calculations Doola has provided. He is right.

That's why I said in one of my replies. Please do the math right.

The reason why I got interested in this thread was:

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14056.msg120374#msg120374

I got my answer. I also got a bet selection that I don't mind taking a chance with in order to attack with my other bots.

However, I am saying it again. If I were to really play this, the progression I would use is the one from Priyanka:


link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.0

Even this one is risky.

I would never risk real money on this Azim, it fails big time.  The fact that you have to risk 32 units to win 13 and if you lose once it takes 2.5 wins to get back the loss is just too big a risk.  I have hit 4 losses in a row a few times in the 600 spins that I have recorded so far. That is a lot of units to get back.

Doola, why on earth do you still test this method flatbet, when it shows you so terrible results? Your huge loses mean that you must have a lose after a lose hits. That huge lose is not possible with chopping scenario. So why to bet every spin? Why not to wait for two or three wirtual loses and then bet. With your uncommon unluck it would not be a problem to catch that 3-loses strike and then - your time is coming! Attack and take the crop.

Read the thread martin, RG claimed from the beginning that this method wins really well flat betting, but provided absolutely no proof of this or even spin files for others to test with. When I posted a graph that shows that his claims were false what happened?  If you are going to make wild claims about a method you have to back it up with real results that can be verified.  Not just bullshit about it and expect everyone to believe you.  Think about what you said with the chopping senario, wlwlwlwlwl 13 -32 13 -32 13 -32 13 -32 13 -32 = -95, that is why this loses flat betting.  Forget 3+ losses in a row, the chop senario happens a lot with this.

After reading RG's comments about my initial test I decided to do two things.  Play lots of sessions of a reasonable number of live spins on Celtic to prove that my results were not false and two, collect lots of live American wheel spins as they are very hard to find on the net. Celtic make it really easy to just plug in your bet and let it just continuously be placed until they shut down.  I can just have it sitting in a screen and watch TV while continually checking every few spins to see how it is going and record the results.

I have not and never would use real money with this method, I am not that stupid.

[Priyanka]

I am not a fan of static fixed position bets. However as many seem to be interested, this is an idea for progression. I have not tested it extensively, but as some people are clearly interested, am hoping will have the energy to test this progression.

1st bet - 1 unit.
1st loss - 3x unit except on 0/00.
2nd loss - you try to recover your loss in 3 consecutive wins.
4th loss - you try to spread your bet by winning 7 of 10 bets.
9th loss - you try to spread your bet by winning 11 of 15 bets.

Every stage you try to get back to the previous stage where possible. You can convert this progression into your quad bet. Let me explain with a few examples. For simplicity sake assume am betting 1st dozen/2nd dozen and excluding 0/00. You can easily convert this for quads in question.

35 - 1 unit. loss
25 - 3 unit. loss. lost 8 units. add 1 to it. 9 units. try winning it back in 3 consecutive wins. You will need to start with 3 unit bet.
16 - 3 unit. win. loss is 5 units. 3unit bet now.
15 - 3 unit. win. loss is 2 units. 3 unit bet now.
35 - 3 unit. loss. lost 8 units. add 1 to it. 9 units. try winning it back in 3 consecutive wins. You will need to start with 3 unit bet.
19 - 3 unit. win. loss is 5 units. 3 unit bet now.
29 - 3 unit. loss. lost 8 units. add 1 to it. 9 units. try winning it back in 3 consecutive wins. You will need to start with 3 unit bet.
6 - 3 unit. win
20 - 3 unit. win
22 - 3 unit. win. So you gained 1 unit.


31 - loss 1 unit.
7 - win 3 unit. gained 1 unit.

34  - loss 1 unit.
18 - win 3 unit. gained 1 unit


35
23
loss and win. +1

7 win +1

31
17
lose and win +1

14 win +1
19 win +1
24 win +1

34 loss
32 loss. try gaining in 3 consecutive wins.
1
1
2
win +1

Hope this is not a grind and at the same time can withstand those infrequent but deep losses.

[RouletteGhost]

Thanks very much! The in depth losses are infrequent but we need to recover from them when they do happen. Keep in mind zumma had 5 max

Thanks for the contribution when i get a chance ill study it

This was repeated a few times but priyanka what do you think of on a loss stop betting until a virtual win so you totally bypass the losing streak when they happen then flat bet again after the VW

[doola]

Post the Zumma spin file RG and I will test them flat betting to show you if it fails or not once and for all.

[RouletteGhost]

Post the Zumma spin file RG and I will test them flat betting to show you if it fails or not once and for all.

I wont post the zumma. Because it is paid for and another member gave it to me.

I sent it to someone who ran it through software it had 5 loss maximum in a row and it happened once in the 15 thousand spins. U can fact check that here in the thread it was posted by said member

I dont do softwares or bots i manually did 500 zumma spins and had 3 max

Flat bet it may fail. That is not the argument

I am trying to exploit the fact that loss streaks beyond 4 on the american wheel are very rare and the win streaks cluster

That is the goal. The goal isnt to prove that static flat betting it can fail. This we know already and is the same for most if not all systems

I personally had several very good flat bet sessions. Thats why i looked deeper into this and so promise


On all my tests i had 4 loss max one time. 3 in zumma within the 500 spins i manually tested.  Azim had 9 once live wheel and he tested it a lot and that was a definite anomaly

Im trying to make this thing work. U dont believe in it so just move on from it

It is a very good 2 dozen bet and i will make it work. The bet selection is fantastic in the world of double dozen

When 15 thousand real wheel spins yields 5 loss in a row max that selection has promise

Edit: i found it

Member leesnoose ran the 15k spin zumma

Results:

RG's AQ
>2: 321
>3: 106
>4: 20
>5: 5
>6: 0

Damm good!

P.s. the forum would be a better place if people were supportive and helped one another and tried to help tweak systems. Rather then insult and pick apart and state it fails because it failed static and flat.....enough dick swingin and help tweak!! Hows that

[Priyanka]

This was repeated a few times but priyanka what do you think of on a loss stop betting until a virtual win so you totally bypass the losing streak when they happen then flat bet again after the VW

RG - I am from the camp that doesn't believe in virtual losses or virtual wins. End of the day, they don't serve any purpose. There has been much said about it and much written. The problem is there cannot be loss avoidance in roulette for static bets. The loss sequence you are trying to avoid will happen in some form or the other. You might be trying to avoid the loss sequence LLL and hence might be going for virtual losses, but a sequence LWLWLW will inturn bring you back to what you wanted to avoid.

On all my tests i had 4 loss max one time. 3 in zumma within the 500 spins i manually tested.  Azim had 9 once live wheel and he tested it a lot and that was a definite anomaly

RG - I have data collected from american roulette live spins of 25,000 and following is the statistics, if that helps in anyway.

1LIAR  - 2964
2LIAR  - 1022
3LIAR  - 290
4LIAR  - 91
5LIAR  - 40
6LIAR  - 14
7LIAR  - 2

[RouletteGhost]

RG - I am from the camp that doesn't believe in virtual losses or virtual wins. End of the day, they don't serve any purpose. There has been much said about it and much written. The problem is there cannot be loss avoidance in roulette for static bets. The loss sequence you are trying to avoid will happen in some form or the other. You might be trying to avoid the loss sequence LLL and hence might be going for virtual losses, but a sequence LWLWLW will inturn bring you back to what you wanted to avoid.
RG - I have data collected from american roulette live spins of 25,000 and following is the statistics, if that helps in anyway.

1LIAR  - 2964
2LIAR  - 1022
3LIAR  - 290
4LIAR  - 91
5LIAR  - 40
6LIAR  - 14
7LIAR  - 2

Thanks a lot

Those results arent too bad!

[doola]

Thats what im seeing in 200 live wheel sessions. Most come ahead flat bet some just under or even

+1 -1 may be good

Sure beats betting on the 2 dozen that mat has laid out for you

This is why I call bullshit with you RG, 200 live wheel sessions, of how many spins?  It takes me 2-3 hours to gather 200 spins from Celtic.  200 sets of 100 spins must have taken you weeks to collect, why not share your spin sets so we can all test?

P.s. the forum would be a better place if people were supportive and helped one another and tried to help tweak systems. Rather then insult and pick apart and state it fails because it failed static and flat.....enough dick swingin and help tweak!! Hows that

That works both ways, you can't say you have had great results (without supplying any proof) then then call someone elses results (who supplies the spin set by the way) incorrect just because they don't fit your "great results" then expect them to be happy and cooperative with you when you won't back up your claims. 

I am not going to waste my time trying to tweak this when I already know from my own testing that it will fail and lose me money if I was ever dumb enough to try this.

[doola]

RG - I am from the camp that doesn't believe in virtual losses or virtual wins. End of the day, they don't serve any purpose. There has been much said about it and much written. The problem is there cannot be loss avoidance in roulette for static bets. The loss sequence you are trying to avoid will happen in some form or the other. You might be trying to avoid the loss sequence LLL and hence might be going for virtual losses, but a sequence LWLWLW will inturn bring you back to what you wanted to avoid.
RG - I have data collected from american roulette live spins of 25,000 and following is the statistics, if that helps in anyway.

1LIAR  - 2964
2LIAR  - 1022
3LIAR  - 290
4LIAR  - 91
5LIAR  - 40
6LIAR  - 14
7LIAR  - 2

love the LIAR part Priyanka fits RG very nicely. 

If you think putting a -1 karma on me means anything to me RG you are dumber than I could have even imagined.

[RouletteGhost]

love the LIAR part Priyanka fits RG very nicely. 

If you think putting a -1 karma on me means anything to me RG you are dumber than I could have even imagined.

I didnt minus 1 karma you. Was not me

Anyway have a good night. Just move on from this method. Thanks

2 to 3 hours. Yes. And u will read i said auto bet for 2 to 3 hours minimum with autoclicker. I stated that several times. Especially when i first started.

Just please move on

"Iam not going to waste my time trying to tweak this when I already know from my own testing that it will fail and lose me money if I was ever dumb enough to try this."

Under 100 posts. The question is WHO are you. Someone thats already been here.....you wouldnt come here and put your focus on me and this thread for no reason. Somethings up. Especially when you think it fails

[RouletteGhost]

Priyanka how did you het your hands on that many american wheel spins?

A specific website or purchase?

Based on your 25k spins it looks like waiting for 3 losses and doing a 1 3 9 would win almost everytime. Very promising. Also max u had was 7. So azims 9 must be an extreme

[MrJ]

Where to start? First, I deleted a couple of posts, it was necessary.

@doola, you dont like the method, so what? There are worse things in life, trust me.

Whomever gave you the "smite"....again, so what? I could get 50 of them, oh well. @doola >> Please remove your personal text regarding RG.

Ken

[Azim]

Perhaps there is a way to money-manage the sh*t out of this to create a workable long-term system..........

It is a workable long system if you want to grind.

Sit at the table and wait for 5-6 losses in a row. Bet once. If you win/lose wait for the next trigger.

This bet selection is like going to work. It will not make you rich overnight. How ever once again if not played carefully will drown you.

When I made my 200 unit's I played it for 4 hours.
It wasn't easy. I always write my numbers from the casino. Trying to replicate that session even after knowing the number's. I haven't been able to replicate that session.
Which just tells me one thing. I just got lucky that night playing this.
I know for a fact that I was waiting for a few losses in chops to go by before I bet.
I tried to do the same and have still not been able to replicate even after knowing the numbers and the chops going through.

I also know a couple of times, I bet 5 units on each quad which was 30 unit's on the layout. I have even worked backwards from the those spins to facilitate my win, i haven't been able to do it.

I have that session which has about 565 numbers.