Grassroots offspring....raymanz tweak

[RouletteGhost]

Yes. He is very impressive indeed

[ptzelepis]

So....I'm sorry to ask again but with all that posts and tests I got a little mixed up.......the best for euro wheel so far is :

1. Betting the previous 3 spins that will not appear again in that order (I don't get the ''if no repeats''......you mean 112, 223, etc)
2. Betting against 1 3 2
3. Betting against 1 2 3

Correct ?

[RouletteGhost]

Correct

Bet against previous 3 only if unique. Meaning all different

Bet that it wont repeat

Your only triggers:

123
132
213
231
312
321

Same time on columns for more bets. It slow. Expect about 10 an hour

Insurance on 0 is mandatory.

You will eventually hit a repeat. So find a money management technique that works for you. Have recovery funds if you play this

A unique repeat happens about every 350 spins. It can happen to you immediately. It can happen in 10 spins. Or you may not see it for a month. Or you might see it 3 times in a row like lightning. On average each unique repeats ABOUT every 2000 spins. Divided by 6 unique combinations, about every 350 spins. Thats just some math.

In other words within 2000 spins you should have 6 unique patterns repeat. The question is how close together will it happen?

Read and try to understand noreiles post

Here is a test i trust very much. Its 66,000 spins. I trust it because all the uniques are very very close number wise. So the math lines up. Numbers speak louder then words

Source: raymanz

66k spins euro

123 123: 31 times
132 132: 35 times
213 213: 30 times
231 231: 30 times
312 312: 26 times
321 321: 28 times

So the math
66,000 divided by 30
2,200
Divided by 6
366 (repeat every 366)

I am confident that people here are smart enough to have a money management technique to beat that 

Im taking a break for awhile. I find myself trying to justify the strategy too much and i need to focus on me. I have done enough and posted enough tests. Those who helped me especially by PM thank you. Thanks to the ones posting tests especially. The naysayers, well no hard feelings i hope everyone wins (except the guys using multiple handles pretending to be different people. I hope you lose big)

[ddarko]

Im taking a break for awhile. I find myself trying to justify the strategy too much and i need to focus on me. I have done enough and posted enough tests. Those who helped me especially by PM thank you. Thanks to the ones posting tests especially. The naysayers, well no hard feelings i hope everyone wins (except the guys using multiple handles pretending to be different people. I hope you lose big)

Sounds like somebody just got his Xmas bonus !!!!!

I look forward to the results you will no doubt post on your return 

[agesta]

Hi!
I have been following these threads from the beginning and i have tested every combination so i thought i will  try for real.
I played by the rules of raymanz tweak, small progression like 1-1,2-2,3-3 and if a lose this i start with 2-2, until recovery.
This is what happend:
LLL
LW
W
LLW
LW
LW
LW
W
W
W
W
LW
LLL
In the next mini game a 0 came and i was out of Money.
It is no big deal because i played with 0.1 euro, i only lost 5 euros.
I don`t say it won`t work but folks be careful!!!!
Agesta

[RouletteGhost]

I do have a slight variation though: when I get a trigger (let's say 2-1-3), I'll play it against dozens AND columns after (so I'll play against 2-1-3-b-a-c), or if my trigger on columns (let's say c-b-a), I'll play columns first (so c-b-a-3-2-1).

before I go (break from THIS forum), I'd like to reiterate this to the guys testing and playing this

[Noreilles]

So here are my results so far (each number is a "session" which can be between 2 tables and 8 tables, each days is 3-5 sessions):
1. Starting BR of 750 units (so my base unit is 3)
2. 789 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
3. 710 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c), a few wins then a loss followed by recoup session
4. 775 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
5. 868 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c)
6. 875 units (vs 1-2-3-a-b-c), loss right off the bat, recovery session and enough wins for a small profit
7. 964 unist (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), withdraw 240 units, new BR now 724 units and base unit is now 4
8. 824 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b))
9. 946 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b))
10. 859 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), few wins, a loss, recovery
11. 926 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
12. 1002 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
13. 1197 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b)
14. 1302 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), withdraw 320 units, new BR now 982 units and base unit is now 5
15. 1002 units (vs 1-3-2-a-c-b), lots of wins, a loss, recovery and a few more wins
16. 1197 units (vs 3 last if unique) (all wins on 1st bet this one)
17. 1304 units (vs 3 last if unique)
18. 1513 units (vs 3 last if unique)
19. 1690 units (vs 3 last if unique), withdraw 400 units, new BR NOW 1290 UNITS and base unit is now 6
20. 1398 units (vs 3 last if unique)
21. 1566 units (vs 3 last if unique)

So far, with my 750 units deposit, I withdrew 960 units (so 210 profit) and I still have 1566 units in the account. All this is from real money play online on Live dealer Euro wheels, over the last 6 days.

OK, so here's a short update...
22. 1602 units (vs 3 last if unique), session was cut short by one on my kids crying (scraped his knee)
23. 738 units (vs 3 last if unique), my first double loss... base unit is now back to 3

Here's how session 23 went: 4 wins on 1st number, the 1st loss because of LWLWLWLWLWLW (since I parlay my 1st win after a loss, a LWL is the same as a LL for me; had I been playing 1-3-9 progression, it wouldn't have lost); and it was a first for my 2nd loss (played at double units, but with one less step in the progression): LLLLL(L)... I got 9 wins at double units, then I was playing against 3-1-2 on dozens, next 3 numbers were 33-4-17 (so dozens 3-1-2), went on to play c-a-b on columns (the equivalent of the 3-1-2 dozens) and yep, got c-a which busted the progression and sure enough, the next number was in the b column (that's the (L)  ) so even if I had been at my normal bet level it would have been a loss... and for those of you who didn't notice, the 3 first numbers (my loss on dozens) were also in columns c-a-b which means I got 3 repeating dozens followed by 3 repeating columns... so I guess everithing is possible, it's just a matter of how often it happens (so far, 1st time with 6 losses in a row).

BUT, I'm still in profit, so I'll continue with this and see when the next loss happens. Next update at session 30.

[RouletteGhost]

You have played over 1,000 real wheel spins before having your first back to back loss and you are still well into profit

This is the type of thing i was expecting

Good work and good luck

[RouletteGhost]

Since this thread is geared toward previous 3 unique i thought this was good to put here

Nick the greek posted this in the other thread. Great way to have MANY more bets.

Playing with this tweak gets you your win goal much faster rather then sitting 25 spins waiting for a unique trigger just bet against it once it shows until another shows

123
132
213
231
312
321

So, I don't initially start betting until one of these sequences shows itself in a 3 spin mini game - I then keep betting against it (in 3 spin mini games) until another one shows and then I switch and keep betting against that one until another one appears........etc. etc.

If the first/second bet wins let the mini game play out without any further betting.
If the third bet loses stop and start again from scratch at another table.

Progression is 1-3-9, however I might now try 1-4-13 to help build the bank more quickly (thank you GLC for the suggestion).   

[thelaw]

OK, so here's a short update...
22. 1602 units (vs 3 last if unique), session was cut short by one on my kids crying (scraped his knee)
23. 738 units (vs 3 last if unique), my first double loss... base unit is now back to 3

Here's how session 23 went: 4 wins on 1st number, the 1st loss because of LWLWLWLWLWLW (since I parlay my 1st win after a loss, a LWL is the same as a LL for me; had I been playing 1-3-9 progression, it wouldn't have lost); and it was a first for my 2nd loss (played at double units, but with one less step in the progression): LLLLL(L)... I got 9 wins at double units, then I was playing against 3-1-2 on dozens, next 3 numbers were 33-4-17 (so dozens 3-1-2), went on to play c-a-b on columns (the equivalent of the 3-1-2 dozens) and yep, got c-a which busted the progression and sure enough, the next number was in the b column (that's the (L)  ) so even if I had been at my normal bet level it would have been a loss... and for those of you who didn't notice, the 3 first numbers (my loss on dozens) were also in columns c-a-b which means I got 3 repeating dozens followed by 3 repeating columns... so I guess everithing is possible, it's just a matter of how often it happens (so far, 1st time with 6 losses in a row).

BUT, I'm still in profit, so I'll continue with this and see when the next loss happens. Next update at session 30.

Any updates???

[mogul397]

Raymanz tweak...deserves new thread.....

Bet against previous 3 dozens

only when previous 3 are unique

123 qualifies so bet against

122 does not qualify

So I picked up my zumma book and opened to page 186
randomly and looked at dozens.

spins 309,310,and 311 are "2,1,3".
Then the next 3 are "2,1,3".

Second betting chance as soon as I pick up the book.

[RouletteGhost]

So I picked up my zumma book and opened to page 186
randomly and looked at dozens.

spins 309,310,and 311 are "2,1,3".
Then the next 3 are "2,1,3".

Second betting chance as soon as I pick up the book.

ok BUT if you were betting in mini games of 3 on a chart, would the 213 and 213 have lined up on top of one another? theres repeats in the charts of course. but important we test it right...

[RouletteGhost]

ah, yes. i found what you saw. 213 213. the only unique repeat in many many pages.

there will be losers.

the wins compensate

[RouletteGhost]

american 15,000 spin zumma split into mini games will have roughly 43 mini game losses (43 times a unique repeat). on average a unique repeats every 350 spins. and consists of 5,000 mini games total

43 mini game losses with 1-3-9 is minus 1,118 units

4,957 mini game wins is +4,957 units roughly of course

minus the 1,118 units

plus 3839 units

thats if we play continuously as nick the greek suggested and changing the bet when a new trigger appears. when you see a unique bet against it every mini game until a new unique appears. so who knows where we would have been on that 213, probably a win

bear in mind, playing how nick the greek suggested would not have been a loss on the first 213 (most likely) you saw so that CHANGES THE GAME. good job nick, wherever you are

estimate based on averages

so many tweaks and new ways of thinking!

[Noreilles]

Any updates???

Sorry for the no updates, 4 kids "at home" right now for the christmas break and we are out of town, so almost no web access (using the inlaw's computer, no wat am I going to play online on it). Next update should be around january 7...