Grassroots offspring....raymanz tweak

[RouletteGhost]

It might just give us more betting opportunities.

At this point, even with waiting for the combo to appear, I'm seeing a nice pattern of first-round finishes.

The only question now is: what progression to use???

So far I've seen too many anomalies for a straight Marti, but perhaps a modified Marti where you wait to be down a certain number of units, then increase bet.

i think the best progression for this is the marty

BUT

a small marty

a 139 with smallll smallll units

on a loss, next mini game use recovery size.

on the rare rare event we lose 2 in a row which will happen every 300 or so spins, have another bankroll for increased unit recovery size

1 main bankroll
1 recovery
2nd recovery

what does this do? allows us to keep going.....small units, recovery 1 and 2

2nd recovery we would tap into ever so rarely

im all about in and out. some guys want to drag it out and grind. hey thats what she said

its like a start system but much less crazy...star was like 3 different bankrolls in the thousands...too crazy

but some CATS love the star

anti progression guys this method may not be up your alley so stay far away....but i know  a solid bet when i see one

no real money until you TEST

[celescliff]

What BR would you recommend?

[RouletteGhost]

What BR would you recommend?

my proposed method is for the guys playing 10p online

i dont have that luxury. my casino minimums are $10 per dozen....unless i drive 2 hours then i can play $5 per dozen

id play the recoveries to win back half the chips lost

standard --------- .10 /  .30 / .90

recovery 1 --------1.30 / 3.90 / 11.70

recovery 2 --------18.20 / 54.60 / 163.80  <------------VERY RARE

you only get to recovery 2 if a unique repeats 3 times.... UNLIKELY

123 just happened it is UNIQUE so now bet against 123
123 standard progression, if lose then.....
123 recovery 1, if lose then.....
123 recovery 2

getting to recovery 2 would be like lightning striking the same place 3 times

you should get to recovery 1 only once every 5 hours

i cannot play this with my minimums, so this weekend i have to create a way to recover.........maybe i can do a recovery 1 and stay at that unit size for several mini games

my ultimate goal is to play with a 2 to 4 unit win goal and leave using $25 units....$650 bankroll....i hope to be out before a repeat happens

some say hit and run makes no difference...does it? if you go and play for 2 wins then leave how likely is it to hit the  loss?

INSURANCE ON ZERO IS A MUST

[RouletteGhost]

honestly i think if people have good intentions and work together towards a common goal great things can happen

i will admit grassroots was NOT my idea. this tweak was not my idea. i am ashamed that i dont have good ideas such as these

but i am smart enough to recognize a good idea.

as winkel says, GUT is not a system. it is a way to play to make an informed decision

this is as well. you see a unique and you dive in. 3 unique dozens in a row is NOT common. no matter how you slice the cake it is a rather "rare" event you will see it a few times an hour....just with GUT we see this and we can make an informed decision to say ok lets dive in because 2 uniques in a row is rare

NOTHING is guaranteed....one member may go in and lose 10 times in a row where another member will play for 5 years and not have a single hiccup

this game is tough....it was designed to not be beaten...

BUT we can follow certain patterns and decide on how to bet to increase odds

the internet is full of negative people who are not happy and have cruel intentions and will seek to deligtamize a strategy without ever testing themselves or post fake tests. some people are covert in delitamizing a strategy and ask questions in a wise ass manner for no reason at all, they never have intentions to test the said strategy, they just ask questions to get themselves off

test yourself and you will see this method is worthy of what we seek

what else can we ask for in such a game?

[celescliff]

I will play more on betfair starting next week. They have several tables with low stakes where i can be in the lobby and track numbers.  Once a trigger comes i join the table and play. I will post my play later on. 

See you next week.

[Drazen]

what else can we ask for in such a game?

I can't say for others, but I am asking not to bet 1638 units at some point just to break even. But actually not breaking even... Risking total over 2.5K of units  And how much we have to bet on zeros to compensate such bets?

My advice is for you to do a bit of very simple math here to encourage people see what they are maybe missing.

Lets say you have a nasty session where you will come to 2nd step of your recovery phase 2 betting 540 units and now two zeros hit. (Later you can try for double zero wheel where you could have 3 or more zeros very easy)   And just after that you got a hit on dozens. How much you had to bet on zeros in total to compensate those losses? And how many units you are in plus after you got hit on dozens after such situation?

Try to show people how much they will earn in this and similar scenarios which will happen. I think that might turn naysayer into believers of this method.

Cheers

[RouletteGhost]

morning test against previous 3 when unique before a little christmas shopping

BOOOOORINGGGGG. only 3 betting opportunities (edit, i missed one, there was 4, right after the last win of 123, was a trigger)

must play columns at same time....just not enough betting opportunities...BUT HEY consistent winner

you can be happy with 3 units every hour and a half i guess...just kind of slow....unless large unit size then win your one unit and be done

[KCIN012]

A lot of winners
On those sets of numbers tho rich
Betting 1,1  3,3.

[RouletteGhost]

A lot of winners
On those sets of numbers tho rich
Betting 1,1  3,3.

Yes you sre right

Im beginning to see that anytime you have 3 uniques in a row bet that the pattern wont repeat

May not need sets of 3 for this like on the chart. Anytime see a unique like 231 bet against it even if not on same mini game

Ill post some tests later

[RouletteGhost]

Example

Row 4 you see 3. Then a 1. Then row 5 a 2. 312 trigger

[MoneyT101]

ok so you guys want more betting opportunities, this is what i did to get them.....

Look at my chart first 6 came out

15 32 21    232
19 35 23    232

I took the last number and started a new pattern of 3

21 19 35   223
23            2

I played it at the same time on the roulette machine in the casino and it did pretty good, gives you more plays


I posted my sheet so you can see how i played it.  I was using the 123 system from the old topic.  I did a few of my own changes to it.

I was playing $.25 cents and got to $19.50 mainly because of the zeros. 

My betting was horrible i was doing 33 55 88 and 1 chip on zero always, dont ask why, i went there with no plan and i know i was losing money on the progression, zeros kept me in the game.

But look at the win pattern, and maybe the ideas i used might help someone.  Anytime singles came i would switch and just bet against it instead of following the pattern i was betting against.

Sorry for any bad grammar lol....Happy winnings!!!!

[RouletteGhost]

thanks for testing

im glad to see positive results...

i re-did my test from this morning....this morning i played as mini games, only if a full mini game was unique id bet...i had 4 triggers

playing this new way i have 11 triggers in one hour. significantly more. what i did was whenever there were 3 unique dozens i would then bet against it. first bet won everytime. it didnt matter if they were in the same mini game. at any point there were 3 uniques id bet even if it went into next mini game

112
3 TRIGGER

i was going to use colors. green if won on 1st try. blue if won on 2nd step. purple if won on 3rd step. only greens.

good news

it is obvious that anytime you have 3 uniques betting against the unique repeating is a good bet selection

EDIT: ONE MISTAKE. ONE BET WON ON 2ND ATTEMPT, ALL OTHERS ON FIRST. SO SHOULD BE ONE SHADE OF BLUE

[RouletteGhost]

heres another test. betting dozens and columns at the same time. ANYTIME a unique pattern, bet against it

green won on first attempt
blue won on step 2 of prog
purple won on step 3 of progression

significantly more betting opportunities. id never stick around that long. but another positive test

it looks slightly complicated on paper but at the wheel should be very simple...

at this point i have not seen a loss.....that being said i think 2 losses in a row back to back can be considered a rare event

any of the following is a trigger
123  ABC
132  ACB
213  BAC
231  BCA
312  CAB
321  CBA

[RouletteGhost]

i know most here play euro

so here is a euro test

only got to 2nd step of progression once

green is win on 1st attempt
blue is win on 2nd attempt of progresison

i think its safe to say out of all the grassroots tweaks, raymanz suggestion is superior

The first bet win is plentiful. We arent chasing wins. They just work

[RouletteGhost]

Im not playing as mini games anymore. A trigger is a trigger. I just put it in the chart above so its easy to read

Mini games work well but less bet opportunities for this particular tweak