Grassroots offspring....raymanz tweak

[Nick-the-Greek]

Starting bank was £20 and I used 10p stakes - when it reached £30 I doubled stakes to 20p and then from £40 bank I doubled again to 40p stakes last night which is when I got HIT!
A real grind with small values but so glad I wasn't using £10 stakes!
Nick

[RouletteGhost]

Starting bank was £20 and I used 10p stakes - when it reached £30 I doubled stakes to 20p and then from £40 bank I doubled again to 40p stakes last night which is when I got HIT!
A real grind with small values but so glad I wasn't using £10 stakes!
Nick

You had a major increase using small stakes

That speaks volumes

My main plan is to play every mini game. With smalllllll units. After 1 loss recovery unit size. After the very rare 2 in a row loss another recover unit size

Doable with small units imo

In raymanz tweak id use large units

[Normy2000]

to normy 2000

in the original grasroots thread

. . .  BLA BLA BLA ......

normy you did some graph simulating in grassroots can you do that here based on this idea? thanks!

I'll try next week if i find free time. 

[Drazen]

My main plan is to play every mini game.

RG can you confirm I got right what mini game presents? BTW why it has to be mini?

Is it short exposure on one betting location and then switching on the other independently of result from the previous one? Or it is matter how previous betting cycle ended?

Or it is something with "switching the wheels" after some time?

[RouletteGhost]

RG can you confirm I got right what mini game presents? BTW why it has to be mini?

Is it short exposure on one betting location and then switching on the other independently of result from the previous one? Or it is matter how previous betting cycle ended?

Or it is something with "switching the wheels" after some time?

A mini game is what i consider 3 spin sets

We dont bet on a rolling basis. If win on step 1 of mini game sit out next 2 spins and wait for next mini game. If win on step 2 sit out next spin. If win on step 3 begin right after

If you look at my testing charts wherever you see a green no more bets in that row we wait

Strategy is not for everyone. Im just being transparent with my tests and promoting it because it is working

If you dont like the strategy i respect your opinion. And that is all

With raymanz tweak we only play a mini game against previous mini game when all 3 dozens were unique. The tweak yields much less betting opportunities but its pretty damn good

So if mini game was

213
Next mini game we bet against 213 from occuring because it was unique

[ddarko]

213
Next mini game we bet against 213 from occuring because it was unique

Why does it being unique make any difference whatever ? Can you give me a reason ?

Or looking at it another way why do you not bet when it isn't unique ? Can you give me a reason ?

Same question, different side of the coin......

[RouletteGhost]

Why does it being unique make any difference whatever ? Can you give me a reason ?

Or looking at it another way why do you not bet when it isn't unique ? Can you give me a reason ?

Same question, different side of the coin......

By observing that if the past 3 dozens are unique it is rare for them to repeat in the exact same pattern. Observstions

I dont think anyone testing has seen it yet

Being unique absolutely makes a difference

Somehow it was explained math says betting against 3 unique repeating makes better mathematical sense

Playing this way averages 5 to 6 betting opportunities an hour and seems safer in the realm of double dozens strategies

123
132
213
231
312
321

[ddarko]

Being unique absolutely makes a difference

Somehow it was explained math says betting against 3 unique repeating makes better mathematical sense

Okay, rights thxs 

where can I find this bit of maths that explains it pls ?

[RouletteGhost]

Soemthing along the lines what ego stated in grassroots

If you play against a unique 3 repeating you have 1 in 27 chance of winning. Something like that. Check the grassroots thread. Have you tested this at all?

I have about 25 charts with 75 spins each.  No unique mini game reapeated. Not one

[idob]

It's all just a gambler's fallacy. You're playing very dangerous bets. If your progression is 1 3 9, then even if it wins 27 "mini games" in a row, 28th loss will break you even. 123123 has the same chance of appearing as 121321 or any other pattern. Eventually you will bust, so only play this system with the money you can afford to lose.

[ddarko]

Soemthing along the lines what ego stated in grassroots

If you play against a unique 3 repeating you have 1 in 27 chance of winning. Something like that. Check the grassroots thread. Have you tested this at all?

I have about 25 charts with 75 spins each.  No unique mini game reapeated. Not one

I will have to try and re find that. I quote it later if I find it.

Nope I haven't tested it at all, I didn't test the grassroots because I couldn't see the an advantage with it.

The same applies with this. Plus I flat bet, no progressions for me.

I asked for a reason because I believe there needs to be a reason why ppl bet what they bet, as
in why it wins. That's a v v v difficult thing to find.....

It wasn't a shot across the bows at ya 

[RouletteGhost]

I will have to try and re find that. I quote it later if I find it.

Nope I haven't tested it at all, I didn't test the grassroots because I couldn't see the an advantage with it.

The same applies with this. Plus I flat bet, no progressions for me.

I asked for a reason because I believe there needs to be a reason why ppl bet what they bet, as
in why it wins. That's a v v v difficult thing to find.....

It wasn't a shot across the bows at ya 

I am finding unique ways to play

I think playing this way is better then just walking up to a table and betting any 2 dozens

I believe there are patterns that are rare that we can exploit. If when the past 3 decisions are unique a repeat right after is rare ill play against it!

And if this fails ill die tryin

But this whole grassroot idea and variations are promising to me

All my tests have been winners. No other method ive teted has been this good. Most methods have good and have bad. This has shown nothing but good. The only other member really posting tests is celescliff and he is having the same results

So gamblers fallacy or not im content with the results so far

You aren't granted the privelage of criticizing though, all you do is ask questions. You dont post methods or style of your play. Gloves arent off, im just sayin....you dont post how you play because you feel members dont deserve it. So keep the criticizing to a minimum. I post strategies and tests. Need more doing THAT

[ddarko]

You aren't granted the privelage of criticizing though, all you do is ask questions. You dont post methods or style of your play. Gloves arent off, im just sayin....you dont post how you play because you feel members dont deserve it. So keep the criticizing to a minimum.

I'll stop asking questions when the Mods tell me too.....

I know you don't like ppl telling you things won't work, guess you will just have to find out the hard way.....

[RouletteGhost]

I'll stop asking questions when the Mods tell me too.....

I know you don't like ppl telling you things won't work, guess you will just have to find out the hard way.....

No no. I dont mind that. As long as their tests back it up. If i test 2000 spins by hand and it works why would i listen to someone who says it wont work with no test to back it up. Silly

And i dont mind questions

I wasnt attacking you. Im just saying.....you shouldnt criticize too much when you dont contribute.....not just you. Anybody

[Drazen]

I am glad you are trying to be transparent with your tests as that is the only way to go. It is not that I don't like this particular bet for some reason or another. Here I would rather say that I don't like playing martingales for real money on not enough tested bets, and we shared opinions how much triggers that should be.

As most of every other new roulette players my first loss with real money was because I was using martingale on not enough tested bet selection. I was playing single dozen then. I ll never forget the thrill of thinking how smart I was, and already planned on what I will spend easy earned money. Thrill of having ATM in your living room that can never be emptied.

A bit later as most of every new roulette students I come up with system on single numbers. This time I am smarter I thought. My plan was to load my bank with enormous amount of units and waiting for the first shot, being ready to withstand brutal and long fight, needed just a first single shot whenever it comes.So it says, again, martingale. But this time, the trap is so shrewdly set up even for so invincible game I said. Those numbers were so called sleepers which I thought are governed by law of the third.  ( word thought because today I don't use those terms anymore. No sleeping numbers for me and "law of the third" is not actually a law. More consequence of mathematics in this game, and that is governed by some other laws in nature)

It was posted on roulette forum and it raised some dust because first tests were all incredibly positive and it seemed it is what roulette forum world was waiting for... My friend Niksa started to play it for real money putting about 400â,¬ in casino I think. In 2-3 months of every day play he earned about 1500 â,¬; If I remember right with starting bet of 0.10â,¬ on single number. Then the first loss came which took almost half of earnings, as progression was very steep and expensive. But we said who cares, total loss is so rare that we wont even care for that. By calculated probability for us to lose, we thought it will happen once in a blue moon and we will earn much more till that day. We couldn't see this anyhow else then profitable.

But second loss came much faster then we predicted, and bad and very very nerve strained sessions started to coming more often for anyone's taste. We were tweaking the method in any way we could think to prevent such situations and in the middle of one tweak, the final loss appeared from nowhere  That wiped everything invested till then...

Nausea while your so expensive (and of course smart) bombs paid with your so hard earned money are missing your targets is something what just can't be explained. You have to feel that to understand, but by all means don't try 

Ok I could say much more to this, but for gods sake it is about time to end the post.

Drazen, people are smart enough to identify themselves with the moral here, you don't have to go to even greater extent. And proof for that they have in your posts.

Anyway for some reason even having said all that, I am still in fear that I didn't contributed enough here. So lets try to do something more to that. Anyhow from perspective of method advocates I think this should be.

I am sorry I haven't read the whole thread about this idea. Don't resent me. It is now close to 60 pages. Quite enough for one thread.

I don't know have you tried the idea of starting to play against all dozens same for example? Like 111, 222, or 333. You might find that this hits also very good

I hope I didn't stole the show.

Cheers