Grassroots offspring....raymanz tweak

[RouletteGhost]

Raymanz tweak...deserves new thread.....

Bet against previous 3 dozens

only when previous 3 are unique

123 qualifies so bet against

122 does not qualify

[RouletteGhost]

3 tests against previous 3....only when unique

bravo ray for a nice tweak to grassroots

no losses at all so far

fewer betting opportunities but more confidence

[thelaw]

3 tests against previous 3....only when unique

bravo ray for a nice tweak to grassroots

no losses at all so far

fewer betting opportunities but more confidence

Progression?

Possibly the 10 losses then double the bet

+10 or -30 stop-loss

[RouletteGhost]

Progression?

Possibly the 10 losses then double the bet

+10 or -30 stop-loss

i think he only plays the 1st bet win or lose. im doing all 3 with a 1 3 9

i know i know.....the sledgehammer.....went through alllll my charts...never once did i see 3 uniques repeat the exact same way

no bet if 122, only if all 3 unique

[thelaw]

i think he only plays the 1st bet win or lose. im doing all 3 with a 1 3 9

i know i know.....the sledgehammer.....went through alllll my charts...never once did i see 3 uniques repeat the exact same way

no bet if 122, only if all 3 unique

Understood.

Have you found any situations where his (-10 then double the bet) would have ended with a stop loss of 30 units?

[RouletteGhost]

i play as i would any mini game

bet 1, win GREAT sit out the next 2 spins
lose?
bet 2, 3 units, win, GREAT sit out next spin
lose?
bet 3, 9 units, win, GREAT. bet next spin if all three were unique
lose? havent yet

27 mini games is roughly almost 2 hours....with $20 chips, makin some decent bread

[RouletteGhost]

this was presented by ray early on in the grassroots thread

he said why dont you take these then beta aginst them not to repeat

i should have listened and tested it then

123
132
213
231
312
321

[RouletteGhost]

to normy 2000

in the original grasroots thread

you stated that these combos will hit once every 1 to 2 hours and repeat every 4 to 5 hours per combo
123
132
213
231
312
321

look at the charts above in this thread....

per 100 spins i have 5 to 6 betting opportunities....there are 6 possible triggers (that is equivalent to about 5 to 6 every 100 spins) (1 per 100 times 6 possible combos, 5 to 6 betting opportunities per hour if your math is right).....good work

looks like your math was spot on.....if you add columns as well its more oppurtunities but whatever

you stated the dozen unique combo will happen once an hour per combo...so credit where credits due

this is what i seek to take advantage of and will continue to test...negative nancys will come but that is ok

normy you did some graph simulating in grassroots can you do that here based on this idea? thanks!

[celescliff]

Ok, I did some testing with this. I started to get a little bit bored with the tracking so I added pinwheel, but only betting on that if the dozen and columns don't have a trigger, because I'm not that fast to play 24 numbers. But right after I added pinwheel the triggers came on dozens and columns almost all the time.

A slow start but busy end.

I upload two images. The first is how I have bet before, play the first two bet and skip the third bet. The other one I followed Denzie's method by flat bet. The end result were similar (+8 units) but I think it's safe to say that denzie's method is better since here we could take three losses instead of just one loss with mine.

[RouletteGhost]

Nice long test

Yes ray tweak is boring but works

The only reason i use the word grailish with these is becauae we know we will see one or two losses. So if we prepare and know how to deal with it we can overcome it.  this isnt a system where we may lose half the bets we place. We are winning over 90 percent of them

I still think a larger unit size for recovery is the way to go. Lose? Up the unit size and recover next mini game. My 2 cents

just to point this out. All of your triggers won 100 percent if played out 1 3 9

None of your uniques were a complete repeat. You played the 1st two which is fine. But if you played 3rd bet it all won

[celescliff]

As much as I want to make that third bet, I'm to scared of doing it. Even though this and the previous tests with this tweak would have won them all, it's still not a matter of if it will happen, but when. Hopefully when it happen, my BR would be high enough to take that loss. 

The method Denzie showed us you have, if you're not doubling your bet after -10, 13 chances of winning on the first bet for 13 mini games before you get to 26, otherwise 9 if you double it. To me, that odds seems to survive in more long term than 1-3-9. 

[Proofreaders2000]

Also what about zero?  Might want to cover that thing.

[Nick-the-Greek]

I've been using the original Grassroots system for about a month now (only playing a few games each evening) on live euro wheels for very small stakes. 3 spin mini games betting against 1 2 3 dozens.
£20 starting bank 10p stakes - my bank was up to £40 so I played for the first time last night with 50p stakes but hit the run from hell as soon as I joined the table:
2
19
31
9
22
27
5
0
31

Equates to 1 2 3,  1 2 3, 1 0 3 (No insurance on zero as euro wheel).

I have managed to recover from single 1 2 3 hits in the past by increasing my stakes for the next few spins (1 3 9 progression), however last night I got killed as I tried to recover twice and paid the price.

Bank now back to £20 - not big bucks but the principal shows that these killer combo's are out there and do hit you eventually.

With hind sight I should have stopped after the second 1 2 3 and changed tables but in the back of your mind you keep saying 'what are the chances of losing again........................!'

Guidance/comments welcomed!

Nick

[RouletteGhost]

I've been using the original Grassroots system for about a month now (only playing a few games each evening) on live euro wheels for very small stakes. 3 spin mini games betting against 1 2 3 dozens.
£20 starting bank 10p stakes - my bank was up to £40 so I played for the first time last night with 50p stakes but hit the run from hell as soon as I joined the table:
2
19
31
9
22
27
5
0
31

Equates to 1 2 3,  1 2 3, 1 0 3 (No insurance on zero as euro wheel).

I have managed to recover from single 1 2 3 hits in the past by increasing my stakes for the next few spins (1 3 9 progression), however last night I got killed as I tried to recover twice and paid the price.

Bank now back to £20 - not big bucks but the principal shows that these killer combo's are out there and do hit you eventually.

With hind sight I should have stopped after the second 1 2 3 and changed tables but in the back of your mind you keep saying 'what are the chances of losing again........................!'

Guidance/comments welcomed!

Nick

123123 will happen every 2000 spins. So one month to see it makes sense

With bankroll to withstand a recovery you will win 95 percent of time. With bankroll to recoup from back to back loss you will win 100 percent

I have been warning about 0

103
023
120

Are all killers. And you saw it happen.

Insurance on 0 is a must!!

Please always insurance chip on 0

2 nights ago i practiced 25 mini games. Alternating between dozens and columns

Mini game 1 i had 023
Mini game 2 i had 0BC

You MUST bet 0 because it happens

[RouletteGhost]

Also just to clarify

Using 10 cents you got from 20 to 40?