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[denzie]

The newer crew are indeed blinded by the 2 second millionairre idea.
100 pages on a simple idea as old as the hills.

Those 100 pages did made me find a very very stable bet selection. And as P.A. said...wait variance and then go in. I'm been doing that the last weeks without any bust.

I track 3 tables at once and it takes me up to 3-4-5 hours . But I make 10-20 units on a daily basis.

And all thx to those 100 pages of brainstorming.

Beating roulette is doable. ....very stable bet selection vs patience vs mm vs positive progression or flat vs variance avoidance

[Steve]

How can you avoid variance? It is just a statistical occurence. You have no way of predicting it. If anyone has information to suggest otherwise,  please share.

[denzie]

I not need to predict that. We all know it's coming. (No I don't know when. I'm just waiting for it). But the more stable our bet selection the less wide that variance swings.

Of course an occasional bust will happen. That's where our mm comes into place.

[Steve]

Even if you bet 30 numbers, you wont have changed variance or odds. All youd be doing is making 30 separate bets, each with their own variance.

[RouletteGhost]

I think what he means is what priyanka says

Roulette is random but it has limits

If we test a strategy for a long time and its lowest is -10 we can wait virtually for that -10 and go in flat bet secure the unit or 2 and leave

Its has bearing

I know what you are saying steve but theres other ways to beat the game then betting only 2 to 4 numbers and or using a computer. Or at least not lose very much.

[RouletteGhost]

My idea of variance

The dozen formation 123123 will occur maybe once every 300 spins. Thats rather rare

So if you wait for a 123123 then bet against it occuring again you can beat the game using the wheel against itself......

For that matter any unique will do. 123123. 132132. 213213. 231231. 312312. 321321.

[Chris555p]

I agree with what's being said above concerning variance. Furthermore, even if we loose from time to time
and we have LLLW; It does not really matter coz the profits we would have made during the winning
sessions, will easily offset the LLLW.

[ozon]

 Reading today about how Denzie make profit.
I'm thinking of such selection, we remain of the traditional EC bets.
We know that the average unbalance in 100 spins is 10 EC, let say 55red / 45 black.
We know that in the worst case we have 65/35.
Therefore, waiting for unbalance 20 EC bets in first 90 spins, do we have any edge in Longrun?
When we begin to reach -20 bets, at start betting  to balance, the target profit of 5 unit, lose the limit is -5 unit, statistically we should have more sessions which will aim to balance, than the extreme sessions.
Is my reasoning is completely wrong?

[denzie]

Ozon...I wouldn't use the EC. I did b4 .But your idea is correct. We don't know when variance hit. But we know it will. We also know from years of results what to expect.

So the only thing we can do is wait. Once they pass then go in. Yep, we can lose. But we win more sessions then we lose. And go in flat or positive progression.

Thx to the grassroots I've found a very stable selection. There I wait a virtual -10 and jump in. Cuz of all my testing that busted I was 10 units short to get back and actually win. So that's why I track multiple tables cuz it takes longer

[Turner]

My idea of variance

The dozen formation 123123 will occur maybe once every 300 spins. Thats rather rare

So if you wait for a 123123 then bet against it occuring again you can beat the game using the wheel against itself......

For that matter any unique will do. 123123. 132132. 213213. 231231. 312312. 321321.

Basically that's just wrong. You don't speak of variance
You are talking about betting with expectation.
Once it happens it will conform like a good pattern and pop up in 300 spins
Variance is against expectation....so you wait for 123123 and it happens again....then again 5 spins later
It can.
It's just up against all the other combinations that arnt 123123.
That's why you refer to it as rare.
Over millions of spins...yes it averages out to a once in x spins...but it's not a bus. It doesn't have a timetable..
The gap between 123123 happening could be 5 10 4 38 120 1
It all evens out long term but you have absolutely no idea how it will distribute its self
It's rare in another world. The world of 20million spins but not in your world of 300

[Tacwell]

My idea of variance

The dozen formation 123123 will occur maybe once every 300 spins. Thats rather rare

So if you wait for a 123123 then bet against it occuring again you can beat the game using the wheel against itself......

For that matter any unique will do. 123123. 132132. 213213. 231231. 312312. 321321.

RG, how does one go about betting against 123123? I assume that means if you get 123122 or 123121 you'll have succeeded and be in profit?

[Steve]

The odds of 123123 are the same as 132132 or 111111 or 222222 etc. Waiting for one or another as a trigger does nothing.  See :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ its all explained there.

[Tacwell]

The odds of 123123 are the same as 132132 or 111111 or 222222 etc. Waiting for one or another as a trigger does nothing.  See :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ its all explained there.

About a 0.1% chance of any specific sequence of 6 dozens occuring I think.
The only way to bet against a sequence is using martingale, which definitely isn't practical for betting against a sequence of 6 dozens, and in any case one would still end up losing more than winning. Some here can't see that though.

[Tacwell]

All this is way off topic, sorry OP.

[Steve]

The martingale wont help either. Consider two players:

Player 1: Waits for 123123 then bets 1
Player 2: Waits for 123123 then bets 2

Who's more likely to win?? They have exactly the same chance.

Now consider two other players:

Player 3: Doubles bets after losses when betting RED
Player 4: Doubles bets after losses but with random red and black

Who has the better chance of winning? Again it's exactly the same.

I have software that checks for random sequences of RB or any other sequence, so know for sure if the odds change after a sequence. And for the exceptions relating to wheel physics like bias, there is no change in odds. So the software can check for a sequence like RBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRB and see if the next spins are RB to see if the odds are higher than it being BB or RR. There is no difference at all. I will be releasing this software free eventually but wanted to add a mod to it first.

These are fundamental facts about any gambling game that really need to be understood.