KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[nottophammer]

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lads enf 18.05.16
1 7
2 12
3 34
4 6
5 22
6 0
7 29
8 12
9 6
10 10
11 32
12 29
13 2
14 34
15 19
16 18
17 15
18 18
19 5
20 11
21 15
22 15
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24 5
25 32
26 31
27 10
28 19
29 24
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31 26
32 33
33 25
34 5
35 17
36 4
37 4
38 27
39 23
40 29
41 13
42 25
43 2
44 21
45 30
46 33
47 28
48 11
49 9
50 13
51 27
52 15
53 31
54 8
55 28
56 16
57 0
58 9
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60 22

61 19
62 35
63 16
64 4
65 4
66 0
67 8
68 11
69 32
70 19
71 32
72 8
73 36
74 0
75 34
76 2
77 12
78 7


[Celticknits]

Some RNG for a practice

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wh.enf 18.05.16
1 14
2 33
3 20
4 24
5 32
6 7
7 26
8 15
9 31
10 9
11 18
12 33
13 3
14 17
15 13
16 3
17 26
18 6
19 33
20 11
21 3
22 4
23 22
24 27
25 3
26 8
27 18
28 19
29 5
30 19
31 27
32 6
33 28
34 15
35 18
36 20
37 34


-Notto - Thank You for the workout
OK so Gut and Nottos averages were used for the initial starting bet location.
After 3 losses in a row I stop betting and go back to GUT tracking.

After spin 25 my GUT tracking shows 18-13-3-3 and averages say that there should still be 5-6 Single Repeats left so start betting where we left off on all the UnHits from spins 1-25.

Here is the payout sheet.

-Celtic

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WILLIAM HILL   18MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 14
2 33
3 20
4 24
5 32
6 7
7 26
8 15
9 31
10 9 10/10
11 18
12 33 R1
13 3
14 17
15 13
16 3 R1 13 1 13 36 23 23
17 26 R1 12 1 12 36 24 47
18 6 11 1 11 -11 36
19 33 R2 12 2 24 -24 12
20 11 12 3 36 -36 -24
21 3 R2 -24
22 4 -24
23 22 -24
24 27 -24
25 3 R2 GUTtracking is 18-13-3-3 -24
26 8 16 4 64 -64 -88
27 18 R1 16 5 80 180 100 12
28 19 15 4 60 -60 -48
29 5 15 5 75 -75 -123
30 19 RX 15 6 90 -90 -213
31 27 R1 15 7 105 252 147 -66
32 6 R1 14 6 84 216 132 66
33 28 13 1 13 -13 53
34 15 R1 13 2 26 72 46 99   --- Win/Stop hit so QUIT!!!
35 18 R2 12 1 12 -12 87
36 20 R1 12 2 24 72 48 135
37 34 11 1 11 -11 124
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on



[nottophammer]

Celts
You asked are they skewed? this is Paddy power they have same supplier as W.Hill

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Ppbigg    24.2.16
1 7
2 10
3 35
4 34
5 1
6 1
7 12
8 31
9 22
10 29
11 7
12 22
13 20
14 20
15 20
16 29
17 18
18 14
19 10
20 9
21 24
22 27
23 36
24 24
25 26
26 25
27 34
28 14
29 9
30 5
31 19
32 34
33 15
34 11
35 2
36 31
37 6
38 10
39 17
40 23
41 0
42 24
43 29
44 26
45 19
46 4
47 6
48 6
49 7
50 26
51 11
52 6
53 14
54 27
55 29
56 23

Lads sandy

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lads sandy 19.05.16
1 30
2 28
3 13
4 3
5 7
6 34
7 0
8 34
9 8
10 23
11 20
12 9
13 12
14 25
15 24
16 10
17 26
18 6
19 33
20 10
21 20
22 35
23 23
24 27
25 6
26 8
27 36
28 5
29 11
30 34
31 27
32 24
33 7
34 28
35 5
36 0
37 5


[Celticknits]

Celts
You asked are they skewed? this is Paddy power they have same supplier as W.Hill

-Notto

I included the payout sheets for Paddy Power and Lads Sandy below.
Here is a brief analysis of each.

Paddy Power Analysis:

Did a reset on the Paddy Power to knock out the first 10 numbers and then started again.
Betting entry point based on GUT and averages
Had I continued after hitting Win/Stop due to Single Repeats still due I would have stopped after three losses in a row (spin25) and went to tracking.
I would then started to bet again after count went to 16-15 on spin 29 and I still expect 3-4 more Single Repeats.

Lads Analysis:
This was fairly straight forward and I started betting based primarily on Averages but watched GUT

-Celtic

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Ppbigg    24.2.16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 7
2 22
3 20
4 20 R1
5 20 R2
6 29
7 18
8 14
9 10
10 9 8/10
11 24
12 27
13 36
14 24 R1
15 26
16 25
17 34
18 14 R1 12 1 12 36 24 24
19 9 R1 11 1 11 36 25 49
20 5 10 1 10 -10 39
21 19 11 2 22 -22 17
22 34 R1 12 3 36 108 72 89   ---   Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
23 15 11 1 11 -11 78
24 11 12 2 24 -24 54
25 2 13 3 39 -39 15
26 31 15
27 6 15
28 10 R1 15
29 17 GUT TRACK IS 16-15-5-1 15
30 23 13 4 52 -52 -37
31 0 13 5 65 -65 -102
32 24 R2 13 6 78 -78 -180
33 29 R1 13 7 91 252 161 -19
34 26 R1 12 6 72 216 144 125
35 19 R1 11 1 11 36 25 150
36 4 10 1 10 -10 140
37 6 RX 10 2 20 -20 120
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on


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lads sandy 19.05.16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 30
2 28
3 13
4 3
5 7
6 34
7 0
8 34 R1
9 8
10 23 8/10
11 20
12 9
13 12
14 25
15 24
16 10
17 26
18 6 15 1 15 -15 -15
19 33 16 2 32 -32 -47
20 10 R1 17 3 51 108 57 10
21 20 R1 16 2 32 72 40 50
22 35 15 1 15 -15 35
23 23 R1 16 2 32 72 40 75   ---  Considered quitting but still 5 Single Repeats expected
24 27 15 1 15 -15 60
25 6 R1 16 2 32 72 40 100   ---   Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
26 8 R1 15 1 15 36 21 121
27 36 14 1 14 -14 107
28 5 14 2 28 -28 79
29 11 14 3 42 -42 37
30 34 R2 14 4 56 -56 -19
31 27 R1 14 5 70 180 110 91
32 24 R1 13 4 52 144 92 183
33 7 R1 12 1 12 36 24 207
34 28 R1 11 1 11 36 25 232
35 5 RX 10 1 10 -10 222
36 0 R1 9 2 18 72 54 276
37 5 R2 8 1 8 -8 268
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on



[Celticknits]

Below is the payout sheet for Notto's Jackpot247 25May16 numbers.

Betting entry point was based primarily on GUT tracking and considering Notto's Averages.
I have to admit that I would be tempted to continue for at least one or two more Repeats after spin 21 because I still expect 5 more Repeats, according to the averages, in the spin cycle.
DISCIPLINE, DISCIPLINE, DISCIPLINE!!!

Celtic

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JACKPOT247   25MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 29
2 4
3 18
4 5
5 0
6 23
7 9
8 29 R1
9 7
10 24 9/10
11 33
12 30
13 36
14 15
15 21
16 1 13 1 13 -13 -13
17 25 14 2 28 -28 -41
18 0 R1 15 3 45 108 63 22
19 4 R1 14 2 28 72 44 66
20 26 13 1 13 -13 53
21 5 R1 14 2 28 72 44 97   ---   Win/Stop reached so QUIT!!!
22 23 R1 13 1 13 36 23 120
23 28 12 1 12 -12 108
24 31 13 2 26 -26 82
25 31 R1 14 3 42 108 66 148
26 4 R2 13 2 26 -26 122
27 26 R1 13 3 39 108 69 191
28 34 12 2 24 -24 167
29 35 12 3 36 -36 131
30 4 R3 12 4 48 -48 83
31 1 R1 12 5 60 180 120 203
32 13 11 6 66 -66 137
33 26 R2 11 7 77 -77 60
34 24 R1 11 8 88 288 200 260
35 15 R1 10 7 70 252 182 442
36 19 9 6 54 -54 388
37 5 R2 9 7 63 -63 325
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on



[nottophammer]

try these 

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1 35
2 34
3 28
4 31
5 27
6 24
7 7
8 34
9 3
10 27
11 8
12 0
13 14
14 30
15 6
16 4
17 5
18 10
19 25
20 16
21 11
22 13
23 35
24 36
25 32
26 34


[nottophammer]

Just come in from the market square,see Priy's tester. So thought i will post this.

Reason for posting, you can see the #'s in margin are those left on marquee from previous player, the question is when was it last spun.
You can see 23-17 is 9/10.
My spins 1-10 starting 17 to Zero, those 9 #'s in the margin repeat for 6 spins, so if i had used those #'s and bet the remaining 28 non-hit, be well up the creek with no paddle.
So this is why i never use the #'s left by someone else.

Won 90 units so leave

[Celticknits]

try these 

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1 35
2 34
3 28
4 31
5 27
6 24
7 7
8 34
9 3
10 27
11 8
12 0
13 14
14 30
15 6
16 4
17 5
18 10
19 25
20 16
21 11
22 13
23 35
24 36
25 32
26 34


-Notto

Here is the payout sheet but it is incomplete.
At the point the numbers ran out I am still expecting 6 more Single Repeats.

Before anybody chimes in with random is random is random just get the numbers from another source let me say that I prefer my numbers from the same random source in a complete 37/38 spin cycle.

Celtic

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NOTTO'S CHALLENGE   25MAY16
Bet Repeats using Count, Nottos Averages, LOTT & G.U.T.
S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 35
2 34
3 28
4 31
5 27
6 24
7 7
8 34 R1
9 3
10 27 R1 8/10
11 8
12 0
13 14
14 30
15 6
16 4
17 5 12 1 12 -12 -12
18 10 13 2 26 -26 -38
19 25 14 3 42 -42 -80
20 16 3 losses â€" Back to tracking -80
21 11 -80
22 13 GUT tracking is 18-18-2-0-0-0 -80
23 35 R1 17 4 68 144 76 -4
24 36 16 3 48 -48 -52
25 32 17 4 68 -68 -120
26 34 R2 18 5 90 -90 -210    ---   6 Single Repeats still expected
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
NOTE:  R>R1 Designates numbers already repeated
Rx Designates numbers Repeated but not bet on



[denzie]

What is the maximum repeaters you ever seen in a row ? (And at what spin it started? )

[tuddilue]

Below is the payout sheet for Notto's Jackpot247 25May16 numbers.

Betting entry point was based primarily on GUT tracking and considering Notto's Averages.
I have to admit that I would be tempted to continue for at least one or two more Repeats after spin 21 because I still expect 5 more Repeats, according to the averages, in the spin cycle.
DISCIPLINE, DISCIPLINE, DISCIPLINE!!!

Celtic

Yes the old greed! It can be really hard to stop sometimes. Especially when it goes so well!!

- Tuddilue

[tuddilue]

-Notto

Here is the payout sheet but it is incomplete.
At the point the numbers ran out I am still expecting 6 more Single Repeats.

Before anybody chimes in with random is random is random just get the numbers from another source let me say that I prefer my numbers from the same random source in a complete 37/38 spin cycle.

Celtic

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20 16 3 losses â€" Back to tracking -80
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I saw you did a back to tracking. How do you decide to do this?
I should have started on spin 18 and when the R1 hit on spin 23 I should have been up on 6 in the progression.

One thing that I also do different is restart the progression after a hit. Why? I been to burned by the progression before and a small loss is nothing with this kind of play. You win that back easy on next session...

- Tuddilue

[Celticknits]

Q1) I saw you did a back to tracking. How do you decide to do this?

One thing that I also do different is restart the progression after a hit. Why? I been to burned by the progression before and a small loss is nothing with this kind of play. You win that back easy on next session...

-Tuddilue

A1)   I do this when Repeats are expected and after 3 losses in a row after the betting entry point.

Regarding resetting the Progression to 1:
The only time I reset my progression to 1 is on a new high and even then this is open to change because if, for example, I am at a new high of +20 and a progression level of 4 and there are still 6 more Single Repeats to come in the next 9 spins I would never reset the progression level back to 1 because it would take so much longer to hit the Win/Stop level. You have to consider what your bet is.

In the example, at a new high of +20 if my bet was 9 and the Progression is 4 the profit would be (4*36)-(4*9) or +108. This added to the new high of 20 would give me +128 and the Win/Stop is reached and I quit. If, on the other hand, I reset the progression back to 1, as you said you would, the new profit would only be (1*36)-(1*9) or +27. Now our new high would only be (20+27)= +47 and we would still be betting to hit the Win/Stop level.

All of these factors have to be taken into consideration when you make a decision.
As I said before when you make a decision you have to know not only what you are doing but why you are doing it, based on everything that is happening at the time.
And, how many times has Winkel said "if in doubt DO NOT BET"?

I hope this helps.

Celtic

[nottophammer]

1. We start with all 37 pockets (37,0X’s)
2. You know in spins 1-10, the usual score reads 9/10, but we also see 7/10, not often, 8/10 this we see nearly as often as 9/10, and then we see 10/10. So what’s next?
3. The trot. What is the trot?  How the non-hit behave.
4. Non-hit (0X), these have to hit, the question is how? In spins 11-20 it’s possible to see all 10 spins become 1X’s.
But we have found it’s possible to have a repeat in 10 spins, around an 80% chance. So how often would spins 11-20 be 10 non-hit to become 10, 1X? But there’s the problem for betting for a repeat. If the spins 11-20 are also 10 unique, where is your entry point for betting for the repeat?
5. So we want to start to bet that the 1X’s will be hit, the question is how many 0X have to become 1X’s for us to start betting?
Looking back to spins 1-10, if it was 10/10, the 1X are becoming heavy, so we think they could repeat in spins 11-20, remember topic 12 unique, how often the 12 unique would hit, say within 3 spins?
Would  it be better to wait for spins 11-20 to finish , then make the decision on the 1X’s. Unlike the true math people who knew to work on a 37 spins cycle, I worked on a cycle of 40 spins, why, everything is worked in groups of 10, measurement and money.
So with 20 spins left and gained knowledge from recording spins in groups of 60 spin values, depending on the score of 1X’s in spins 11-20, we have come to accept spins 11-40 has a possibility of 15 repeats, so you have had 10 spins of the 30 spins, how many 1X’s have repeated, have too many already hit?
After 20 spins 2X’s can become 3X’s, if this repeat is happening it is costing on the progression, so here it is possible to bet the >1X and the 1X’s, is it not all about watching the trot.
Example last nights’ game, last bet was 1X+2X’s, if i'd bet just 1X's i would have lost that bet.

[tuddilue]

A1)   I do this when Repeats are expected and after 3 losses in a row after the betting entry point.

Regarding resetting the Progression to 1:
The only time I reset my progression to 1 is on a new high and even then this is open to change because if, for example, I am at a new high of +20 and a progression level of 4 and there are still 6 more Single Repeats to come in the next 9 spins I would never reset the progression level back to 1 because it would take so much longer to hit the Win/Stop level. You have to consider what your bet is.
...

I hope this helps.

Celtic

Thanks Celtic!
I totally agree with. I will start doing this when I expect 6 more repeats to come.
I think the reason why I do like this is because I want to learn G.U.T and WTF betting on 1x.
So I was a bit uncertain how the RNG will react.
But now I see that this average of 9 single repeates works as well on the RNG.

-Tuddilue

[tuddilue]

1. We start with all 37 pockets (37,0X’s)
2. You know in spins 1-10, the usual score reads 9/10, but we also see 7/10, not often, 8/10 this we see nearly as often as 9/10, and then we see 10/10. So what’s next?
3. The trot. What is the trot?  How the non-hit behave.
4. Non-hit (0X), these have to hit, the question is how? In spins 11-20 it’s possible to see all 10 spins become 1X’s.
But we have found it’s possible to have a repeat in 10 spins, around an 80% chance. So how often would spins 11-20 be 10 non-hit to become 10, 1X? But there’s the problem for betting for a repeat. If the spins 11-20 are also 10 unique, where is your entry point for betting for the repeat?
5. So we want to start to bet that the 1X’s will be hit, the question is how many 0X have to become 1X’s for us to start betting?
Looking back to spins 1-10, if it was 10/10, the 1X are becoming heavy, so we think they could repeat in spins 11-20, remember topic 12 unique, how often the 12 unique would hit, say within 3 spins?
Would  it be better to wait for spins 11-20 to finish , then make the decision on the 1X’s. Unlike the true math people who knew to work on a 37 spins cycle, I worked on a cycle of 40 spins, why, everything is worked in groups of 10, measurement and money.
So with 20 spins left and gained knowledge from recording spins in groups of 60 spin values, depending on the score of 1X’s in spins 11-20, we have come to accept spins 11-40 has a possibility of 15 repeats, so you have had 10 spins of the 30 spins, how many 1X’s have repeated, have too many already hit?
After 20 spins 2X’s can become 3X’s, if this repeat is happening it is costing on the progression, so here it is possible to bet the >1X and the 1X’s, is it not all about watching the trot.
Example last nights’ game, last bet was 1X+2X’s, if i'd bet just 1X's i would have lost that bet.

Thanks notto!
I understand what you mean now when I also is studying the trott.
I mainly looks at the 1x but I also looks at the 2x and 3x.

One thing I want to ask you is, when I study the trott I see:
Normal trott
Slow trott
Fast trott
But most of the time I see:
Normal -> slow
Normal -> fast
slow -> normal
slow -> fast
fast -> normal
fast -> slow
So the trott is changing. This makes it really hard to bet at.
What do you think of this? Do you bet on a changing trott?

I studies the trott and I do not bet if I do not feel it right.
The hardest is when a trott changes to a fast trott. Then I think it is hard to bet WTF.

-Tuddilue