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Started by goldrosen, Mar 22, 05:31 AM 2016

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nottophammer

Mr T
how will math help in my choice for playing finals.
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

Heres why todays Jackpot247.com #'s
jackpotjoy 23.3.16
1 18
2 31
3 20
4 19
5 17
6 17
7 27
8 7
9 34
10 0
11 28
12 21
13 13
14 36
15 3
16 14
17 22
18 6
19 0
20 18
21 30
22 31
23 6
24 25
25 10
26 6
27 4
28 14
29 30
30 25
31 7
32 26
33 21
34 17
35 33
36 9
37 8
38 21
39 25
40 11
41 29
42 32
43 31
44 23
45 13
46 9
47 14
48 23
49 2
50 17
51 5
52 13
53 27
54 1
55 33
56 10
57 5
58 33
59 11
60 23

61 9
62 31
63 29
64 18
65 5
66 11
67 30


spin5  17
spin6  17    one of Denzies doubles so see another in about 1000 spins
spin7  27
spin8  07   thats all final 7 in 4 spins.

Now if we find out what finals are missing in those 10 spins, finals 2,3,5,6 we have a 16 # bet. How does maths tell us to stake these 16#'s or how good a bet is betting these 16#'s.
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

Foolwise

As I said Turner I agree with you that everything has math behind it and it is better to know.

What I dont agree with is how is having math as a backup for your decisions help you win, when the math clearly says that Casino has a house edge. It also does not directly imply that the converse is true - Not having math behind your decisions will help you win. I think that was the sticky point and hope you agree now.

13 following 31, there is a math and physics element behind it. Math element in random number generators and physics element in roulette wheels. You will not find this relation in random numbers that are generated through atmospheric noise like random.org. The math element is on the fact that most of the RNG applies the principles of Lehmer random number generator to do it. And if you closely study how the modulus function works in Lehmer formula and given that an european rng will be a mod of 37 you will realise that why 13 following 31 is real. If you observe physics element of it, then you will find that over a very large set, the movement between two numbers in the wheel ranges between 9-11 numbers. It is to do with the spacing between the diamonds on the wheel and the way a human being pushes the ball. As these are the two common forms of playing roulette, there is where the 13 and 31 relation comes and ofcourse no fairies.

But the question still remains. This is all math. Does this help you win Roulette. NO. And notto, math doesnt say anything about 17 and 20 by the way.
The fool doth think he is wise; but the wise man knows himself to be a fool

nottophammer

But the plasterers  on the FOBT which is rng say 17 's in get on 20  :thumbsup:
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

Now back to the finals ?
if we bet 16 L
               32 L
               48 W    96 out   108 back
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

Finish the 10 spins, what finals are missing, so its still 5 and 7,9  so a 10 # bet.

we bet 10 L
            20 L
            30 L
            40 W  and it final 5 #25  took final 5 24 spins
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

I'm off out, but spins 21-30 the finals are 50/50 so who do you bet? the math might help :twisted:
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

Turner

See Im bored. And this has been interesting. Look at the last time I posted 4 times in a post.
Thanks for your responses.
Anyhow....I like to see maths back up an idea...even if its very general

Cheers chaps

nottophammer

back,so math not saying which 50/50 to bet, well how about no bet wait 10 spins and see whos missing, missing in31-40 is 0,2,4 look back 2 missed for 23 spins 0,4 in 21-30, so we bet 12 #'s

bet 12 L
       24W  final 2
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

does zumma catch finals out?
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

TwoCatSam

Quote from: MumboJumbo on Mar 22, 06:33 AM 2016
If you have 750 reds and 250 blacks then wheel have bias, so the casino will change with new one, they are not fools.

Ye Gods and little fishes.................

Since red and black are interspersed around the wheel, how could the wheel have a bias?  No, seriously!  Is the spacing on the red numbers much wider than the spacing on the black.  Like two inches vs 1/10 of an inch?? |      |  ||   This first is the red slot and the second is the black.  Ever seen such a wheel?

So how do we achieve bias?

TwoCat
If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go where dogs go.  ...Will Rogers

Foolwise

>>>>>>>>Since red and black are interspersed around the wheel, how could the wheel have a bias?  No, seriously!  Is the spacing on the red numbers much wider than the spacing on the black.  Like two inches vs 1/10 of an inch?? |      |  ||   This first is the red slot and the second is the black.  Ever seen such a wheel?

Ye. Twocatsam you have got the pencil, when the scientists are trying to figure out how to make a pen work in space. Love it.
The fool doth think he is wise; but the wise man knows himself to be a fool

TwoCatSam

Thanks!  I expected to be flamed or some such....
If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go where dogs go.  ...Will Rogers

goldrosen

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Mar 23, 10:36 AM 2016
Ye Gods and little fishes.................

Since red and black are interspersed around the wheel, how could the wheel have a bias?  No, seriously!  Is the spacing on the red numbers much wider than the spacing on the black.  Like two inches vs 1/10 of an inch?? |      |  ||   This first is the red slot and the second is the black.  Ever seen such a wheel?

So how do we achieve bias?

TwoCat

lol

Thanks for all your guys answers, although i don't understand much..its kind of complicated..MumboJumbo said casino will change the wheel if its happened but Foolwise said its quite possible that will happen, then the casino will changed the wheel if its really happened?..

I was thinking about this bet selection n that was the reason why I asked those questions..

Its like this, we record spins first let says 100 spins..then we might get result like 40 blacks and 58 reds (2 zeros)
Reference: link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=105&view=archiv#  (most of the session result its almost balance for ECs like result example I gave above 40/58, but i dont understand why..since roulette do not have memory and i dont see 200 session with 150 reds and 50 blacks)

Then we start to bet on black but not every spin..the [trigger] is when red appeared ONCE and then we bet on black, this is hope to make red a single, BB[R]B<bet this black, since single color is most probably more than two three four n so on consecutive color.. if we lose then we stop and wait for another trigger and always place bet based on which color appeared to be the less ONLY..

In this bet selection we have two advantages I think? One is we know which color appeared to be less and we bet it to balance out, and two is we know or (I think) single color is more than follow/consecutive color..

Another advantage is we can use system let say like Labouchere that start with line 1(profit), if lose then 11(next bet 2), if win then restart.. or maybe Martingale?

I haven't try this out and its just an idea..n I thought the more spins we record the more accurate it is? I don't know..lol any comments on this? Thanks!

nottophammer

Quote from: Foolwise on Mar 23, 06:20 AM 2016
As I said Turner I agree with you that everything has math behind it and it is better to know.

What I dont agree with is how is having math as a backup for your decisions help you win, when the math clearly says that Casino has a house edge. It also does not directly imply that the converse is true - Not having math behind your decisions will help you win. I think that was the sticky point and hope you agree now.

13 following 31, there is a math and physics element behind it. Math element in random number generators and physics element in roulette wheels. You will not find this relation in random numbers that are generated through atmospheric noise like random.org. The math element is on the fact that most of the RNG applies the principles of Lehmer random number generator to do it. And if you closely study how the modulus function works in Lehmer formula and given that an european rng will be a mod of 37 you will realise that why 13 following 31 is real. If you observe physics element of it, then you will find that over a very large set, the movement between two numbers in the wheel ranges between 9-11 numbers. It is to do with the spacing between the diamonds on the wheel and the way a human being pushes the ball. As these are the two common forms of playing roulette, there is where the 13 and 31 relation comes and ofcourse no fairies.

But the question still remains. This is all math. Does this help you win Roulette. NO. And notto, math doesnt say anything about 17 and 20 by the way.
What about 23,32 or 12,21
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

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