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## Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers

Started by rrbb, May 30, 08:46 AM 2016

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#### denzie

Quote from: MumboJumbo on May 30, 02:00 PM 2016only casinos.

Luckily you good at roulette
Eyes on the ball and Wheel.

#### Turner

Quote from: Drazen on May 30, 10:39 AM 2016I lost my job today

oh mate....really sorry to hear that

Turbo said it right....anything but gambling

I refer you to the great philosopher (not known for philosophy really) Jim Steinman from his song for Meatloaf called "two out of three aint bad"

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#### rrbb

Quote from: falkor2k15 on May 30, 01:44 PM 2016
If you get 35 twice then will the new "dynamic" sequence have two 35s?
35, 35, 1, 2, 3
or do we not count repeats in the new sequence:
35, 1, 2, 3
?

Hi Falkor,

Read the recipy! You take out the first 35, and add the new 35 to the beginning, so in the case of your example nothing changes.

#### falkor2k15

Quote from: rrbb on May 30, 04:28 PM 2016
Hi Falkor,

Read the recipy! You take out the first 35, and add the new 35 to the beginning, so in the case of your example nothing changes.
Hi rrbb, I read the instructions and I checked out your picture with the bubbles. You don't show what happens to the dynamic sequence during a repeat - only uniques (0s). In your opening post you only went as far as to say that "now lets assume that the next number is 35 again! The old sequence was 35,1,2,3,...,34,36. So now we assign it the "low" (first position)" but without showing what the new dynamic sequence will look like having the number 35 appeared twice. Will it remain:
35, 1, 2, 3 (A)
or change to:
35, 35, 1, 2, 3 (B)
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."Â¸Â¸.â€¢*Â¨*â€¢â™«â™ª:

#### rrbb

Yes you are right: i was a little bit ambiguous and unclear.

The thing is: you only want unique numbers in your dynamic sequence, so there must be only one 35.

And i found indeed that in i made the mistake of starting to talk about "position" (just a writing error, in the examples i showed it correctly): the dynamic sequence is based on the values (as maestro described correctly).

Hope this clears things up!

#### falkor2k15

Quote from: rrbb on May 30, 04:54 PM 2016
Yes you are right: i was a little bit ambiguous and unclear.

The thing is: you only want unique numbers in your dynamic sequence, so there must be only one 35.

And i found indeed that in i made the mistake of starting to talk about "position" (just a writing error, in the examples i showed it correctly): the dynamic sequence is based on the values (as maestro described correctly).

Hope this clears things up!
Clear and understood - thanks!
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."Â¸Â¸.â€¢*Â¨*â€¢â™«â™ª:

#### falkor2k15

Some initial thoughts:
1. Seems like a rather interesting original idea to create dependency across numbers and most of the carpet playing positions at the same time.
2. Knowing if a dynamic dozen or street is likely to "peak" seems less of an advantage than knowing if an original carpet dozen/street will hit - based on a trigger from the 2nd table - since there's no cheap way to cover a dynamic position since the game doesn't allow us to use "custom" playing positions. However, such dependencies might help narrow down a group of numbers in the 2nd table - even if the main aim here is instead to use the 2nd table to help with predicting the first table.
3. What are the "events" here as opposed to the individual "spins" - latter defined previously as a sub-section of an event?
4. In the same vain as Random(er) Thoughts, the main problem here is knowing how to take advantage of dependencies:
a) wait for one table to show a trigger and then bet on the opposite table to peak also.
b) bet on both tables simultaneously based on some trigger.
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."Â¸Â¸.â€¢*Â¨*â€¢â™«â™ª:

#### falkor2k15

Quote from: rrbb on May 30, 12:08 PM 2016
The "straights" in the second (new) number stream are the positions of the roulette numbers in the "dynamic sequence".
So if we bet on a "number" in the second stream, we actually bet on a position in the dynamic stream. and the position in the dynamic stream is again linked to a  roulette number.

But here is the twist: the roulette number that is associated with position in the dynamic number stream varies!!
This part is so confusing. Let me attempt to "translate" this:
1) The straights = individual numbers?
2) "Second (new) number stream" = I don't see a "2nd" new number stream; I only see a set of numbers (nn) as generated from the random wheel.
3) position in the dynamic stream = which pigeon hole as opposed to any particular value
4) a roulette number that varies = too vague!

Original:So if we bet on a "number" in the second stream, we actually bet on a position in the dynamic stream.
Translation: So if we bet on a new number generated from the wheel we are betting on an associated pigeon hole in the dynamic stream.
Does that sound right? I guess something must be lost in translation.

Edit: new number stream = D1! Oops I never noticed that before...
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."Â¸Â¸.â€¢*Â¨*â€¢â™«â™ª:

#### falkor2k15

Quote from: rrbb on May 30, 12:08 PM 2016The "straights" in the second (new) number stream are the positions of the roulette numbers in the "dynamic sequence".
So if we bet on a "number" in the second stream, we actually bet on a position in the dynamic stream. and the position in the dynamic stream is again linked to a  roulette number.

But here is the twist: the roulette number that is associated with position in the dynamic number stream varies!!
27 = position 1
5 = position 6
9 = position 10
24 = position 25
35 = position 1
20 = position 23
18 = position 21
33 = position 34
15 = position 20
19 = position 23

But since table 2 is generated from table 1 via the dynamic number recipe shouldn't we expect there to be a connection between D1 and it's associated pigeon hole? And if there was a 3rd number associated with the pigeon hole then presumably it would be on the same row? However, I don't really see any significance. I doubt we can create dependencies between different rows that would help us predict the future from the past and present. How would betting on D1 help us since we have to know the nn value first? I dunno I am just totally confused.
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."Â¸Â¸.â€¢*Â¨*â€¢â™«â™ª:

#### falkor2k15

QuoteHow? For example: when we have a repeat in the first set on the straights, in the second set, this will occur in 99.7% of the cases on "low". Or, even stricter: a repeat on straights in one system will will occur in the second system for 99.99994% on the first two dozens.
Does this mean that repeats occur on more recent numbers as opposed to an old number that appeared 25 spins ago?
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."Â¸Â¸.â€¢*Â¨*â€¢â™«â™ª:

#### Rolletti

Enter D1 figures in a GUT tracker and you will see the trot behaves like original spun roulette numbers would. showing crossings and favourits at the expected positions.

random stays random.

R.

#### maestro

<enter D1 in Gut tracker> this one cracked me,just made my day .....lol
Law of the sixth...<when you play roulette there will always be a moron tells you that you will lose to the house edge>

#### falkor2k15

Quote from: maestro on May 31, 07:47 AM 2016
<enter D1 in Gut tracker> this one cracked me,just made my day .....lol
What's the joke? I don't get it.
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..."Â¸Â¸.â€¢*Â¨*â€¢â™«â™ª:

#### Drazen

Quote from: rrbb on May 30, 12:08 PM 2016
These two sets are dependent in a really peculiar way.

Hm.. is there any possibility that way is somehow related to the number Pi

Drazen

#### PeaBea65

Quote from: Drazen on May 30, 10:39 AM 2016
This comes at the right time. Very hard period of my life starts. I lost my job today so I ll have more then plenty of time to think about the game while 20 % of unemployment rate spits in my face...

Very unfortunate Drazen, good luck for the future, I hope it all works out.
All systems lose in the end, you can't polish a turd.

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