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#### rrbb

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##### Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« on: May 30, 2016, 12:46:31 PM »
Hi all,

I just wanted to share a fun view of roulette. It might be difficult to grasp at first, but really it is fun!

Disclaimer: it is a view, not a strategy. It might trigger some interesting thoughts however

Most people think of roulette numbers as unrelated. Which of course they are: they are the embodiment of the definition of random. Unrelated, unpredictable.

Now lets see if we can come up with some kind of relation (which is indeed based on the pigeonhole principle...)

a. lets create a new sequence of numbers, based on numbers spun
b. in order to to this, we interpret a number spun as the position within a certain sequence of numbers. This position has a number attached to it
c. after a number is spun, we manipulate the sequence as follows:we remove the number that we pointed at
d. AND we glue it to the beginning
e. we keep on doing this

example
lets start we sequence 1,2,3,...,34,35,36
a. lets assume we get number 35.
b. 35 is the 35th position in our sequence. The value is 35 (1,2,3,...,34,35,36)
c. now we create a new sequence: remove 35 from the old sequence (1,2,3,...,34,35,36)
d. and glue it to the beginning: 35,1,2,3,...,34,36

e. etc

Now the fun part starts!
We can use this "dynamic sequence" to create a totally new set of straights, splits etc... I will illustrate this with halves:

in our example we got number 35. We interpreted it as the position in the number sequence. To create highs/lows however, we look at the position of that number within the previous sequence. In this case it is position 35. As this falls in the second half, we assign it "high"

now lets assume that the next number is 35 again! The old sequence was 35,1,2,3,...,34,36. So now we assign it the "low" (first position)

If we do this for all possible number groups we get a "number systems" that is random and similar to what we are used to. I you would only use this number set, you would not see any difference with roulette numbers spun.

So what is the fun part?
Every set of random numbers can be used to create another set of random numbers BUT the sets themselves are related!

How? For example: when we have a repeat in the first set on the straights, in the second set, this will occur in 99.7% of the cases on "low". Or, even stricter: a repeat on straights in one system will will occur in the second system for 99.99994% on the first two dozens.

try it yourself, play with it!

Fun isn't it?

rrbb

#### maestro

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2016, 01:29:07 PM »
when you put your number always at the top dont you create bias in new born random stream and this one is might not be good
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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
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#### rrbb

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2016, 01:35:24 PM »
when you put your number always at the top dont you create bias in new born random stream and this one is might not be good

Hi Maestro! You honor your name: good question!

Did you create this new number stream according to the recipe? I assure you that it is unbiased: it is a random as random can be! But better than my assurance is your validation of falsification of my statements!

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#### maestro

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2016, 01:38:38 PM »
maybe i did not read it right but say after your second 35 how numbers will look like can you post it

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2016, 01:41:01 PM »
maybe i did not read it right but say after your second 35 how numbers will look like can you post it

Yep, I will create an example!

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2016, 01:51:16 PM »
Yep, I will create an example!

Here you go, I hope it makes things clearer...

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2016, 02:39:11 PM »
Thanks rrbb

This comes at the right time. Very hard period of my life starts. I lost my job today so I ll have more then plenty of time to think about the game while 20 % of unemployment rate spits in my face...

I definitely need to start think very seriously outside the box if I want to survive from now on

Cheers

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2016, 02:50:11 PM »
Thanks rrbb

This comes at the right time. Very hard period of my life starts. I lost my job today so I ll have more then plenty of time to think about the game while 20 % of unemployment rate spits in my face...

I definitely need to start think very seriously outside the box if I want to survive from now on

Cheers

Hi Drazen,

That is horrible! I truly hope you will be able to land a job quickly!

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2016, 02:54:37 PM »
Thanks rrbb
This comes at the right time. Very hard period of my life starts. I lost my job today so I ll have more then plenty of time to think about the game while 20 % of unemployment rate spits in my face...
I definitely need to start think very seriously outside the box if I want to survive from now on
Cheers

Don't spend that free time thinking about this game. Look at it as a opportunity to begin something even better (hopefully not gambling related). I've walked away from jobs only to have it result in better things happening. Start your own business - find something that you like to do and jump in with both feet. My advice worth a grain of salt - but still good advice.

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2016, 03:04:48 PM »
@Drazen

Welcome to the club!

#### Drazen

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2016, 03:11:54 PM »
Thanks for you kind words.

Well I meant thinking about the game in terms what makes me happy in hard moments. I know it is wrong to think about gambling as a way of making steady income, although who can make that, he simply isnt gambler. That is how I see it.

Huh my friend, trust me that is very simple to say from your side. Here things are very hard in whichever direction you start looking :/

Starting my own business requires of course some financial stretch, which I simple dont have. Even if you have a job here, you make just enough for your monthly needs and no way of saving anything, which is perfectly realistic possibility in western Europe or US...

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2016, 03:19:34 PM »
nice example rrbb but dont realy like the clouds...lol...cant you just simply show step by step so everyone can see and stupid person like me understand how is right way to do it,picture you did is like i will send you half source code of something...thanks

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2016, 03:23:28 PM »
sorry to hear this Drazen...they say when door closes other one opens..but hope you will get job..things always happen for reason even we dont get the reason most of the time

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2016, 03:30:06 PM »
Hi Drazen,

I know myself how consoling thinking about "numbers" can be. It actually helped me weather a really difficult period in my life.

Although I do not know where you are from, but I have to agree with TurboGenius: however bleak the future might seem, there is a silver lining.

Btw what country are you from? What is your profession?

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##### Re: Outside the box: a different view on roulette numbers
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2016, 03:37:33 PM »
i see what you doing rrbb, so new random stream will be position of hit number on your penultimate sequence....so what properties did new random stream have did you check it or is just thinking out loud..so looks to me that you just using roulette to mix up  your consecutive numbers...so to me your new sequence will look  like outcomes of galton board

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