Cycles

[praline]

Let's discuss something NON RANDOM:

Number cycle:
1,22,13,34,1
1,23,36,21,25,21

Street cycle:
1,12,3,2,9,1
1,5,2,7,3,1
1,3,3

Line cycle
3,6,2,4,3
3,1,6,3

Dozen cycle
1,2,2
2,2
2,3,1,3

EC cycle
RBR
RR
RBB

As I understand, it's an application of Pigeon hole principle, that makes a roulette a FINITE game and not so random.
Also, from attached file we can see that cycle length frequency is very stable in long run, even if we add some zero's. My propose is to create some strategy related to cycle length (see example), and then implement our best strategy with other non random ways of playing roulette.

Example

Thanks to KTF we can see that betting more then twenty numbers (any 20 numbers) with d'alembert and stop loss/take profit, we can obtain a good results. I have made some testing using 2 dozen bet + d'alembert.
The trigger ( yes I said trigger) was cycle of minimal length 2, bet and hope that cycle will end as length 3 and not 4.
The reason I chose cycle 3 is because we go pass all lenght 2 and difference between 3 and 4 is always more then 50%. Attached testing sheet. 

ANY THOUGHTS HERE??

[praline]

Thank to Notto and Priyanka

[falkor2k15]

I'm confused as usual... why do you have 2 or 3 different combinations under each type of cycle? Our understanding of cycles from priyanka is that we track each position until a repeat then we start a new cycle using the last result as the first.

Even if we could understand why praline has 2 or 3 different combos under each position/cycle type, does he pick only 1 group or use (track?) all groups simultaneously?

[praline]

The example is for dozen cycles, they can be of length 2,3 or 4.

[falkor2k15]

The example is for dozen cycles, they can be of length 2,3 or 4.

OK, I understand - thanks! So how do you bet for cycle length 3?

1. Wait virtually for 2 different dozens then bet on the 3rd spin to be one of those two (a 2 dozen single bet per cycle or none at all if cycle length is 2).
2. Place 2 bets: that the 2nd dozen will be different to the one that defined the previous cycle followed by the same bet above (2 x 2 dozen bets per cycle).
3. Any other way to bet CL3?

[falkor2k15]

and then implement our best strategy with other non random ways of playing roulette.

That's the most puzzling part... should we have 2 VdWs running on Clockwise/Counter-Clockwise and Same/Different?

[falkor2k15]

The example is for dozen cycles, they can be of length 2,3 or 4.

Your length 2,3,4 is Priyanka's 1,2,3 BTW!

Why would you wait for CL2 as the trigger and then bet for CL3 anyway? We established before that "same" has more chance of appearing (62%) - but CL2 for "different" is also 62%.

With regards to combining another Non-Random element besides VdW, this might be another strategy Priyanka was hinting at:

ScarfaceWhat if we bet the last 3 hit lines in the dozen, instead of the whole dozen.  If a cycle ends with dozen 2 as dominant, bet the last 3 hit lines in dozen 2 on the first bet.  If dozen 1 hits next, bet the last 3 hit lines in dozen 1 and 2.

Seems like there is always 1 line in a dozen that stays cold.  Thought this might increase the odds of a hit better.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.495 (page 34)

[falkor2k15]

The trigger ( yes I said trigger) was cycle of minimal length 2, bet and hope that cycle will end as length 3 and not 4.

You once mentioned this:

1. Cycles
2. VdW
3. PP related to triggers on CL

So can we achieve Parrondo's Paradox from here??   

[praline]

PP stays for Personal permanence

[The General]

So can we achieve Parrondo's Paradox from here?? 

NO

[bbb128]

But what we guys are all doing now is still betting based on probability and statistics.
I can't figure out the "non random" part of her bets selections

[falkor2k15]

I think I get this one now... is it like this?

122
2312
22
232
211
1231

?

[praline]

If you're talking about that test, yes you are right. But it will lead to the HE

[bigmoney]

I think I get this one now... is it like this?

122
2312
22
232
211
1231

?

I will put my hand up i dont understand this yet .... i need to process this ....anyone going to backtest this ...with real results

I will backtest  it when i understand it

[praline]

It's a simple bet for last two dezens!

But true bet is made only after a cycle is closed and one new dozen has appeared

1d.   1
1d.    11
2d.     12.   Bet 12
3d.     123.   No bet
1d.     1231.  No bet
2d.      12.      Bet 12