ROTT

[nottophammer]

Did not want to clutter colbster's, Are there really 37 possible outcomes? like i have done , sorry colbster .
So,
Riddle Of The Trot.
Can you see the trot on the sheet?

[NextYear]

After 15th spin it slows down, but at 40th and 60th everything comes to Winkel-Notto's calculations.

[nottophammer]

So what do you do to help your self to see this thing called the trot.
What is the trot? To me it's how when starting there's all 37 pockets to hit, so this is the start of your Riddle of the trot. So what do you do?
Collect many games where you can see how many of the 37 have hit.
Over time you will get to see some interesting figures reveal them selves.

I'll move on.
What do i know, probably to Mogul fcuk all.
But to the rest of you,this is what i've found.

There seems to be a constant value in spins 11-40, 15.7- 15.8 non-hit will show.
How does this help?
After lots of posts in KTF, i came across countback, a simple thing in its self, just add the round down 15 to the revealed value of spins 1-10.

So on todays game, which had the value 9/10, which by the way is the biggest value of 1st 10 spins in the average documents, i'd expect to see 24 non-hits,hit by spin 39/40.
You can see this on the sheet

The flatbet in You aint go to believe it, you can see on the sheet, the 9,13 and 7 are just 3 extra spins, that i did not want to put on a new sheet, can you see this Mogul

[nottophammer]

After 15th spin it slows down, but at 40th and 60th everything comes to Winkel-Notto's calculations.

Excellent Nextyear, someone who's taking all this in

[nottophammer]

Helps with the game already played.
But after spin 10 you've placed countback, so your brain should now be turning over some thoughts about the trot.
What are Winkels reference points, 13,25,37, on some posted sheets you can see a small w. Anything else, yes, the law of the third. Various pieces have been posted on this showing that 23,24,25, non-hit are the usual suspects to have come at spin 37.

Anything else to help? What about averages for non-hit to appear, again posted in the 300 document is the info, free of charge

So all this is buzzing around in your head.

On to the game.

At spin 13 if you're just watching, winkels point is down, countabck shows those 3 non-hit are fast. As we've decided to not KTF and missed 3 wins to the value of +27, better to carry on watching, don't want to be betting hit once that could still grow by non-hit,hitting. What is the average for spins 11-20, 7 non-hit? well with only 3 come as said better to watch.
spin14 is repeat.
What do we know about the 13 th non-hit. Well you know from the document that upto the 19th non-hit, they average to hit in 2 spins. But the 13th should/could appear at spins 7/8, so i'd wait to see if the average of 2 went down, but you can seee its in, but no money has been spent, so good, still time to get a win.

So what would you do now, remember we've only had 5 possible spins in which to bet.

Anyone going to give some thought as to what we do next, thinking over the info we know of, will it be go for repeats or wait.

Can you here curve fitting

[NextYear]

If I am to be careful, I'll just watch till 20th spin.
If I am gambling, I'll go for that repeats after 15th spin...

[nottophammer]

Okay but we can see,if we could not, then u'd say 13th came 3/4 spins to early,so again wait to see if 14th will miss for the average 2 spins, remembering the average of 7,+2 in spins 11-20,we're at 4 non-hit.
Now you've seen the average of 2 spins miss, so think still only 4 have come, we have 3 spins in which we could see the 14th, 5 non-hit is what we should get if 15 in 30 is 5,5,5, me i'd wait 2 more spins, get to 19th and if 14th is not in the countback shows it should/could appear at 20th spin.
So now we are at 19th and 14th could have hit, is still due to hit according to countback, if like me you have a clipboard and know that the 14th's max is 7 spins from the 300 document, that means theres potentially 3 more spins till it might and i say might,as it could increase its max. So we bet the 24 0x's and lose. Now this is a nothing bet if we just go to 2 units, so this is gambling time,on the FOBT i'd have to go to 3 units as would the B+M, but you can see we would win, 24+72=96, return 108.

Although we've won is it enough to walk, reset?

[nottophammer]

 You see the trot slowed like Nextyear said, with the score for 11-20 at 4,-1  the win of the 14th has it nearly showing a normal trot again. As we've watched, we see waiting got us the win, from knowledge gained.

Now you must be thinking 14th has come, countback shows spins 29/30 could/should have the 19th in? what are the non-hit doing up to the 19th non-hit? they average to hit in 2 spins. So there's potentially 5 more to come, favorable odds to me, with the 15th due next spin, why not wait, if it comes so what you are up anyway, but you see its a repeat, its too early to WTF?
Well if you'd waited the 15th is late, so now is decision time, its late the average is 2 spins, why not go for it, you'd win.
15th has now hit where we could have seen 16th, be better to wait and see what happens with 16th, its in but if it had missed then average 2 would have been there.
Countback is showing the trot is right on time, so i'd wait, the ? is how many, but we can see the results, but i would have waited for the result of 25th spin a Winkel reference point. Seeing 17th is in i'd definetly wait to see if the 18th hits, which it does.
Now i'd be thinking WTF, Old Celtic would be talking to me now, but i would not bet just the hit once, i would bet all 18 with 1 unit, lose, i'd rebet the 18 plus the new non-hit making it 19 with 2 units, win. As the 19th is early and we won with the repeat at 2 units, i'd rebet the 19 with 1 unit, win.
I'd definetly stop.

[nottophammer]

I posted this sheet in basics topic. You can see waiting and watching the riddle of the trot. The red stuff is after posted, Devil street sys

[nottophammer]

last posted on here 19:03 pm, now 19:50, driven down the town and back did the riddle of the trot +7.25 in 25 minuets.

Last few bets was good when the 22nd non-hit came i thought no got to repeat is well in front, so i thought i'd bet the last 19, leave off 7,21,36 but as there repeating in there own groups of 10 spins, i'd better bet all 22, well another non-hit, so rebet include the new number,so bet 23 with 2 units,win, its the 36 just as well used those extra 3 numbers, rebet the 23 with 1 unit,win out the door +7.25

Could have left plus 4.5 after spin 18, but watched.
Thank you and goodnight, the darts are going to start soon, MVG

[nottophammer]

Over at 6 dices Turbo gave it like it is, so look forward to some comment.

Mvg, Mvg,MVG , MMMMMMVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[nottophammer]

Hi, Will the rock

[nottophammer]

Now i've been over the hospital this afternoon with the wife, so did not take the clipboard with me as i thought get no time, but yes found some time.
But whilst in the waiting room can't believe what i'm reading in Aint go to believe it, Winkel i understand your frustration.

So heres the 2 slips i used, +40 units, the abcd is devil street sys, but made more with non-hit and going for the repeat.

[RouletteGhost]

Hmmmm ??

[buffalowizard]

Glad you got your priorities right Notto.
Reminds me of the time I fist pumped 'yeessss' at a funeral whilst following updates on the Ashes - Stuart Broad decimated the Oz