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Re: ROTT
May 06, 06:43 AM 2021
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KTF; is all about betting for non-hits.
I started as far back as maybe 2008 on non-hits. I wrote on betting slips groups of 10 spins. No thought to a cycle of 37 spins.
Now as I’d maybe have 4 slips with say 150 plus spins, I started seeing, in the groups of 10 spins there could be a repeat. So, I made a excel sheet and pretty limited as no excel skills.
It was all RNG spins from FOBT’s in UK bookmakers.
Okay in real roulette spins you’ll see the non-hit time tables. Now one of them is 10’330 live spins posted by General gormless or AKA, Snowman, Dr sir, sir anyone, there’s too many to list. But these spins give the average for repeats as 1-3-5-7 & 30. 16 repeats in 40 spins; see I didn’t use 37 spin cycle.
Anyway the 1-3-5-7; 16 repeats show in all non-hit time tables. Even the FOBT’s.
Knowing that 16 repeats is an average is useful.
Now you must know of Law of the third or as gormless calls it law of the turd. That average of 24 in 37 is what you can see is average in the 40 spins. If 16 repeats are the average in 40 the other spins are 24 non-hits.
There is something called countback, found in KTF topic. It shows where you could see the expected 15 non-hits in spins 11-40.
Like in GUT; by Winkel, you have to study how the stream is evolving or the TROT, that gormless mocks.
So, 1-10 more times than not has 1 repeat, that’s your reference. Gut has reference point 13, could have 2 repeats. You see you need to know how the larger group performs and when does the stream favour 50/50, non-hit or repeats and then the larger group is the one hits, less non-hits; a reversal to the start.
Below is from are there really 37 outcomes, by colbster.
(Number on left is number of unique numbers and next number is how many times a spin cycle had exactly that many unique numbers in the test)

37 spin cycle:

15   1
16   12
17   202
18   1417
19   6020
20   18309
21   41304
22   73951
23   98780
24   102814    Is this LOTT?
25   80164
26   47276
27   20934
28   6706
29   1685
30   349
31   35
32   5
Another poster from same topic.
This is a test I did in November.  I tested over 1 million single zero RNG spins and got this:

2    3210
3    6251
4    9017
5    10906
6    12398
7    12852
8    12454 Is this Vaddi?
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9    11478
10    10007
11    8619
12    6845
13    5243
14    3857
15    2730
16    1816
17    1128
18    687
19    355
20    246
21    96
22    61
23    29
24    16
25    5
26    3
27    0
28    0
29    0
30    0
31    0
32    0
33    0
34    0
35    0
36    0

The most unique numbers in a row was 25 (The 26 means it hit on the 26th spin, so 25 unique numbers in a row) and this happened only 3 times.


Now you should be able to see how the stream or trot starts.


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Re: ROTT
May 07, 09:37 PM 2021


Are you seriously trying to recycle that KFC/KTF crap?   :xd: :xd: :twisted: :xd: :xd:
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Re: ROTT
May 07, 10:13 PM 2021
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Re: ROTT
May 08, 12:38 AM 2021
Hey Nottophammer,

I am trying to understand your system. Based on your response to Holy Roller, this is how I understand it.

The law of the 3rd says that in 37 spins, 1/3 or 12 numbers will not show up, and you want to bet on the numbers that only hit once? And what you are saying is that by spin 40 you should have 16 repeats instead of 12. So if you bet the 12 numbers that came up only once by spin 37, then it should hit twice by spin 40?


Also, you said "betting slips groups". What does slips mean?


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Re: ROTT
May 08, 02:50 AM 2021
Also, you said "betting slips groups". What does slips mean?
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I think... what he means is he was writing the numbers that came up on slips of paper... or basically a piece of paper.

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Re: ROTT
May 08, 06:46 AM 2021
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The post at May 06, 06:43 AM 2021; talking of the 10’330 supplied live spins by the General; who should be known as General gormless, ask Turbo why.
He posts pics of KFC, because he knows that the 1-3-5-7 & 30 for repeats is correct. He doesn’t like someone showing how live spins or a stream show. Especially when he supplied the spins.
May 04, 07:02 AM 2021
The posted pic shows a sheet with countback. We’re in the topic Riddle of the TROT; it’s all about the stream of 60 spins and how non-hits arrive. At spin 19 I bet 12 units. The bet was for a number that had hit once to repeat and it did. See you have to watch the stream and my decision was to bet for a repeat.
You don’t have to bet just non-hits. Look at countback and see where the 15th non-hit should or could have hit. The non-hits are fast and a term Winkel said, is they need to slow down. To do this you need repeats.
Look how the spins 11-20 finished; 7, +2. +2 means there was 2 more non-hits than the expected 5. But repeats are at 5, where we could have had 1-3=4.
Now spins 21-30; you’d expect to see 5 repeats, 1-3-5=9. This would be WTF time, it’s getting towards a 50/50 for non-hit and repeats. So, WTF is bet the hit once. But you see repeats are happening, but the 1st 2 repeats in this section are R2, so you’d be losing.
You see at spin 21, it’s showing 1; I bet all remaining non-hits and won. Then it was just watch, No-Bet, nb. Then you see I bet on spin 25 that the hit once would repeat and won.
If you look at graph, you’ll see I’m not betting every spin, like in KTF where you bet every spin for just non-hit with +1/-1. You see I’ve learnt to watch and track the speed of the non-hits.
After spin 40, I’ve placed X in those 20 spins; where we need 9 more non-hit to get to the repeats of 1-3-5-7-30. I won at spin 41 as I was betting for non-hit, with 4 units.
Okay, up to the 26th non-hit they average to hit in 3 spins. The X at spin 40, is where the 22nd non-hit should have hit, but I won next spin. So, now it’s just watch to see if the 23rd hits at X, spin 43 and it misses. Great so, now I start to bet and win 2 spins later. Now we want to see if the 24th hits on spin 46 and it did, to early for me. I now wait to see if the 25th will hit on its average to hit of 3 spins and it missed. I now start to bet and win. The 26th hits very next spin and on time. Now I have to wait to see if the 27th will hit at spin 56; it missed. Start to bet and win.
Spin 60 is where I’d hope the 28th would miss. But you can see the last 4 spins are all non-hits.
Another way to try and bet for the non-hit in spins 41-60 is divide the 20 spins by the number of non-hits needed to get to 30. In this case every 2.22 spins.
What if there was only 5 to find, you would say every 4 spins for a non-hit?
After the 26th non-hit the average to hit is 4 spins.
General gormless would be looking for the wobbly wheel; TWAT
Correct Holy roller, slips they write their bets on; the paper is free.
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Re: ROTT
May 08, 08:03 AM 2021
Time machine  :o
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Re: ROTT
May 08, 08:14 AM 2021
Do you have to bet all the time?
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Re: ROTT
May 08, 08:46 AM 2021
#25 but it's early in the stream
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Re: ROTT
May 08, 08:47 AM 2021
Above 16 repeats in 40 spins.
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Re: ROTT
May 08, 11:13 PM 2021
nottophammer,

You are one of the few people who seem to be interested in repeat numbers. Do you know how to run a python program?

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Re: ROTT
May 09, 12:06 AM 2021
nottophammer,

You are one of the few people who seem to be interested in repeat numbers. Do you know how to run a python program?

I wrote a python program that show results like this. Maybe someone can help me analyze results and determine how to bet given a certain situation.  This is a sample of results.

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Re: ROTT
May 09, 10:11 PM 2021
In a million trials of 38 spins, this is the result

Trials: 1000000
 
15 numbers came up 3 times = 0.0%
 1 : Counter({4: 2, 5: 1})
 2 : Counter({4: 1, 3: 1, 5: 1})
 3 : Counter({2: 2, 4: 1})
 4 : Counter({2: 2, 4: 1})
 5 : Counter({1: 1, 2: 1})
 6 : Counter({1: 1})
 
16 numbers came up 21 times = 0.0%
 1 : Counter({4: 11, 5: 6, 6: 3, 3: 1})
 2 : Counter({5: 7, 3: 4, 4: 4, 6: 4, 7: 2})
 3 : Counter({4: 8, 3: 7, 5: 3, 8: 1, 2: 1, 1: 1})
 4 : Counter({3: 9, 2: 6, 1: 3})
 5 : Counter({1: 6, 2: 6})
 6 : Counter({1: 1})
 
17 numbers came up 160 times = 0.02%
 1 : Counter({6: 54, 5: 39, 7: 24, 4: 21, 3: 12, 8: 5, 9: 4, 2: 1})
 2 : Counter({5: 30, 4: 29, 6: 29, 7: 20, 3: 19, 8: 12, 2: 10, 9: 9, 10: 2})
 3 : Counter({4: 36, 2: 30, 5: 29, 3: 26, 1: 12, 6: 12, 7: 9, 8: 2})
 4 : Counter({1: 60, 2: 44, 3: 21, 4: 12, 5: 1})
 5 : Counter({1: 70, 2: 16, 3: 1})
 6 : Counter({1: 18})
 7 : Counter({1: 4})
 
18 numbers came up 1205 times = 0.12%
 1 : Counter({6: 331, 7: 326, 5: 188, 8: 187, 9: 74, 4: 66, 3: 17, 10: 13, 2: 2, 11: 1})
 2 : Counter({6: 238, 5: 227, 7: 216, 4: 144, 8: 126, 3: 97, 9: 76, 10: 29, 2: 27, 11: 15, 1: 4, 12: 3, 13: 3})
 3 : Counter({3: 295, 4: 267, 2: 206, 5: 180, 1: 119, 6: 76, 7: 30, 8: 2})
 4 : Counter({1: 443, 2: 369, 3: 174, 4: 20, 5: 4})
 5 : Counter({1: 422, 2: 65, 3: 2})
 6 : Counter({1: 159, 2: 6})
 7 : Counter({1: 30})
 8 : Counter({1: 10})
 
19 numbers came up 5629 times = 0.56%
 1 : Counter({8: 1502, 7: 1482, 9: 917, 6: 881, 10: 343, 5: 335, 4: 88, 11: 65, 3: 12, 12: 3, 13: 1})
 2 : Counter({6: 1044, 7: 980, 5: 925, 8: 771, 4: 602, 9: 488, 3: 302, 10: 231, 2: 107, 11: 100, 12: 39, 1: 18, 13: 16, 14: 3})
 3 : Counter({3: 1423, 4: 1259, 2: 1122, 5: 792, 1: 497, 6: 318, 7: 109, 8: 15, 9: 1})
 4 : Counter({1: 2254, 2: 1604, 3: 514, 4: 63, 5: 1})
 5 : Counter({1: 1687, 2: 211, 3: 7})
 6 : Counter({1: 463, 2: 7})
 7 : Counter({1: 91})
 8 : Counter({1: 14})
 9 : Counter({1: 3})
 
20 numbers came up 19387 times = 1.94%
 1 : Counter({9: 5354, 8: 4879, 10: 3569, 7: 2718, 11: 1411, 6: 931, 12: 296, 5: 156, 13: 47, 4: 23, 14: 2, 3: 1})
 2 : Counter({6: 3605, 7: 3572, 5: 2828, 8: 2743, 4: 1814, 9: 1792, 10: 1092, 3: 910, 11: 434, 2: 295, 12: 166, 1: 63, 13: 42, 14: 22, 15: 2, 16: 1})
 3 : Counter({3: 4995, 4: 4482, 2: 3891, 5: 2474, 1: 1923, 6: 979, 7: 229, 8: 20})
 4 : Counter({1: 8265, 2: 4742, 3: 1204, 4: 110, 5: 1})
 5 : Counter({1: 4853, 2: 385, 3: 9})
 6 : Counter({1: 1281, 2: 2})
 7 : Counter({1: 171})
 8 : Counter({1: 24})
 9 : Counter({1: 1})
 
21 numbers came up 52014 times = 5.2%
 1 : Counter({10: 14680, 9: 12500, 11: 10534, 8: 6299, 12: 4480, 7: 1855, 13: 1162, 6: 308, 14: 171, 5: 15, 15: 10})
 2 : Counter({7: 9541, 6: 8984, 8: 7975, 5: 6977, 9: 5883, 4: 4215, 10: 3136, 3: 1867, 11: 1861, 2: 636, 12: 465, 13: 302, 1: 118, 14: 27, 15: 15})
 3 : Counter({3: 14511, 2: 11853, 4: 11141, 1: 5631, 5: 5624, 6: 1783, 7: 248, 8: 10})
 4 : Counter({1: 22989, 2: 10380, 3: 1888, 4: 116, 5: 2})
 5 : Counter({1: 10576, 2: 590, 3: 8})
 6 : Counter({1: 2195, 2: 8})
 7 : Counter({1: 306})
 8 : Counter({1: 36})
 9 : Counter({1: 8})
 
22 numbers came up 107312 times = 10.73%
 1 : Counter({11: 30943, 12: 24861, 10: 23022, 13: 11918, 9: 9929, 14: 3414, 8: 2344, 15: 528, 7: 287, 16: 52, 6: 12, 17: 2})
 2 : Counter({7: 18795, 8: 18483, 6: 18413, 5: 13039, 9: 11368, 10: 8999, 4: 7845, 3: 3309, 11: 2955, 12: 2229, 2: 1103, 14: 287, 13: 243, 1: 219, 16: 12})
 3 : Counter({3: 30357, 2: 27009, 4: 21388, 1: 13943, 5: 9188, 6: 2073, 7: 166, 8: 2})
 4 : Counter({1: 46654, 2: 16627, 3: 2074, 4: 67, 5: 2})
 5 : Counter({1: 17086, 2: 660, 3: 3})
 6 : Counter({1: 3024, 2: 5})
 7 : Counter({1: 418})
 8 : Counter({1: 56})
 
23 numbers came up 169024 times = 16.9%
 1 : Counter({12: 48157, 13: 44779, 11: 29470, 14: 24842, 10: 10368, 15: 7991, 9: 1742, 16: 1428, 17: 124, 8: 119, 18: 4})
 2 : Counter({7: 33193, 6: 26155, 9: 25072, 8: 24504, 5: 20596, 4: 11238, 11: 9797, 10: 9060, 3: 4812, 13: 1742, 2: 1359, 12: 1069, 1: 288, 15: 119})
 3 : Counter({3: 48524, 2: 48162, 4: 29199, 1: 25909, 5: 9495, 6: 1415, 7: 54})
 4 : Counter({1: 70134, 2: 18728, 3: 1593, 4: 28})
 5 : Counter({1: 20447, 2: 466, 3: 1})
 6 : Counter({1: 3171, 2: 6})
 7 : Counter({1: 382})
 8 : Counter({1: 43})
 9 : Counter({1: 4})
 
24 numbers came up 204754 times = 20.48%
 1 : Counter({14: 61142, 13: 53637, 15: 39476, 12: 25582, 16: 14673, 11: 6262, 17: 3078, 10: 553, 18: 338, 19: 13})
 2 : Counter({8: 42387, 6: 36395, 7: 32113, 10: 23527, 5: 21838, 9: 17775, 4: 13496, 12: 6262, 3: 5382, 11: 3107, 2: 1606, 14: 553, 1: 286})
 3 : Counter({2: 64132, 3: 56946, 1: 38879, 4: 27762, 5: 6480, 6: 513, 7: 8})
 4 : Counter({1: 78132, 2: 15048, 3: 791, 4: 6})
 5 : Counter({1: 18034, 2: 289, 3: 1})
 6 : Counter({1: 2387, 2: 2})
 7 : Counter({1: 268})
 8 : Counter({1: 19})
 9 : Counter({1: 2})
 
25 numbers came up 190224 times = 19.02%
 1 : Counter({15: 59611, 16: 48014, 14: 40115, 17: 21411, 13: 13349, 18: 5305, 12: 1668, 19: 701, 20: 50})
 2 : Counter({7: 43916, 9: 36362, 6: 26050, 5: 24315, 8: 21349, 11: 13349, 4: 11073, 10: 5197, 3: 5179, 13: 1668, 2: 1461, 1: 282})
 3 : Counter({2: 65119, 3: 47746, 1: 44671, 4: 17495, 5: 2569, 6: 89})
 4 : Counter({1: 63809, 2: 8714, 3: 290, 4: 3})
 5 : Counter({1: 12055, 2: 107})
 6 : Counter({1: 1375})
 7 : Counter({1: 112})
 8 : Counter({1: 7})
 9 : Counter({1: 1})
 
26 numbers came up 135644 times = 13.56%
 1 : Counter({17: 42387, 16: 39623, 18: 23798, 15: 18362, 19: 7161, 14: 3103, 20: 1130, 21: 79, 22: 1})
 2 : Counter({8: 35172, 6: 29266, 10: 18362, 7: 16186, 5: 13132, 4: 10161, 9: 5621, 3: 3312, 12: 3103, 2: 1106, 1: 202})
 3 : Counter({2: 48248, 1: 39030, 3: 28298, 4: 7288, 5: 593, 6: 10})
 4 : Counter({1: 37943, 2: 3509, 3: 48})
 5 : Counter({1: 5897, 2: 21})
 6 : Counter({1: 556})
 7 : Counter({1: 47})
 8 : Counter({1: 4})
 
27 numbers came up 73741 times = 7.37%
 1 : Counter({18: 25681, 19: 19218, 17: 16174, 20: 7393, 16: 3690, 21: 1433, 22: 144, 23: 8})
 2 : Counter({7: 22336, 9: 16174, 5: 12107, 6: 8078, 4: 4183, 8: 3987, 11: 3690, 3: 2489, 2: 566, 1: 119})
 3 : Counter({2: 26040, 1: 25561, 3: 11088, 4: 1823, 5: 67})
 4 : Counter({1: 16637, 2: 994, 3: 9})
 5 : Counter({1: 2046, 2: 4})
 6 : Counter({1: 196})
 7 : Counter({1: 13})
 
28 numbers came up 29627 times = 2.96%
 1 : Counter({20: 10420, 19: 9201, 21: 5483, 18: 2941, 22: 1374, 23: 198, 24: 10})
 2 : Counter({8: 9201, 6: 8832, 4: 3084, 10: 2941, 5: 2519, 7: 1831, 3: 788, 2: 374, 1: 48})
 3 : Counter({1: 11993, 2: 9385, 3: 2783, 4: 262, 5: 7})
 4 : Counter({1: 5152, 2: 206})
 5 : Counter({1: 518})
 6 : Counter({1: 36})
 7 : Counter({1: 3})
 
29 numbers came up 8872 times = 0.89%
 1 : Counter({21: 3442, 22: 2778, 20: 1521, 23: 972, 24: 151, 25: 8})
 2 : Counter({7: 3442, 5: 2269, 9: 1521, 6: 559, 4: 500, 3: 479, 2: 76, 1: 26})
 3 : Counter({1: 3977, 2: 2294, 3: 426, 4: 21})
 4 : Counter({1: 1128, 2: 23})
 5 : Counter({1: 85})
 6 : Counter({1: 7})
 
30 numbers came up 2046 times = 0.2%
 1 : Counter({23: 921, 22: 519, 24: 480, 25: 113, 26: 11, 27: 2})
 2 : Counter({6: 921, 8: 519, 4: 382, 5: 105, 3: 81, 2: 32, 1: 5})
 3 : Counter({1: 1004, 2: 379, 3: 25, 4: 1})
 4 : Counter({1: 190, 2: 5})
 5 : Counter({1: 8})
 6 : Counter({1: 1})
 7 : Counter({1: 1})
 
31 numbers came up 298 times = 0.03%
 1 : Counter({24: 131, 25: 118, 26: 44, 27: 5})
 2 : Counter({7: 131, 5: 118, 3: 34, 4: 11, 2: 3, 1: 1})
 3 : Counter({1: 121, 2: 33, 3: 1})
 4 : Counter({1: 14})
 5 : Counter({1: 1})
 
32 numbers came up 35 times = 0.0%
 1 : Counter({26: 28, 27: 4, 28: 3})
 2 : Counter({6: 28, 4: 4, 3: 2, 2: 1})
 3 : Counter({1: 4, 2: 1})
 4 : Counter({1: 2})
 
33 numbers came up 4 times = 0.0%
 1 : Counter({28: 3, 29: 1})
 2 : Counter({5: 3, 3: 1})
 3 : Counter({1: 1})

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One situation could go like this. You are sitting on spin 37 and 23 numbers came up with 18 numbers hitting only once (this is very unlikely). So if a new number hit on spin 38, that would make 25 numbers with 19 numbers, which is also very rare. So it would be more likely that one of the single hit numbers will hit again to drive it closer to the more common 12 single hit numbers in 23.

Another situation is that 24 and 25 numbers have a higher percentage, so they are like a magnet. So, if you are sitting on 26 numbers on spin 37 and there are 17 numbers that hit once, then if next spin hit one of those single numbers, it would move the single hit numbers away from the prime 17 number position, but on the other hand, if a new number came up, it would go to 27 numbers, which only has a 7.37% chance to come up. So in this situation, it could be more likely that a number that hit more than once will hit again.

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