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#### Let Me Win

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##### Bet Selection Makes No Difference or Does it!?
Oct 11, 07:34 AM 2018
After doing my own large samples of testing and the seeing the results of other people's it would appear that all bet selections are equal when it comes to deciding if to bet either Red or Black in the long term.

That's to say if we do a test of 1 million roulette spins our losses will always be more or less the same flat betting Red or Black every spin and it will make no difference if we bet Red every spin or follow the last colour every spin or whatever method we choose for selection.

This is can be considered a fact.

But what happens if we consider the REVERSE LABOUCHERE

If we were to play Red every spin then the only way we could have a big win is if Red started to streak.

But if we were to play the second but last colour every spin then we could have big wins if Red or Black started to streak as well as if Red Black Red Black started to streak.

So can it be said that bet selection does make a difference here or am I missing something?

#### Joe

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##### Re: Bet Selection Makes No Difference or Does it!?
Oct 11, 08:08 AM 2018
But if we were to play the second but last colour every spin then we could have big wins if Red or Black started to streak as well as if Red Black Red Black started to streak.

The devil is in the details.  If you're following a choppy sequence of RBRB... you will lose when the sequence changes to a streak, and if following the streak RRRR you will lose the first bet when it changes to a chop. Since streaks of one colour and streaks of chops are relatively rare, these losses add up fast and in total amount to the same number of losses you would get if you are just betting on one side only (when the opposite colour wins). It's not obvious until you actually work out the number of ways you can lose betting both ways (they are equal) which is why the avant dernier is still believed by many to be superior to betting on one side, even though it's been around for so long.

#### Let Me Win

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##### Re: Bet Selection Makes No Difference or Does it!?
Oct 11, 09:37 AM 2018
Here is the code for playing the Reversed Labouchere System with Roulette Extreme.

Does anyone know how to configure it so it will play the Avant Dernier on each of the three even chance bets at the same time.

The system should be played separately on each of the three even chance bets in terms of the staking but playing all three at the same time so less time waiting for one of the even chances to streak.

I would like the maximum bet in the progression set to 100 as well if it can be possible.

It is OK to leave the starting labby line as it is 1 - 2 - 3 - 4    so that the first bet is 5 units.

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system "Reversed_Labouchere_System"

{The Reversed Labouchere is a cross-out system which begins with a list containing an
arbitrary sequence of numbers such as 1,2,3,4.

It is essentially a Labouchere system in reverse

The next bet is determined by adding the first and last numbers in the list.
When the bet wins, the win amount is added to the end of the list.
When the bet losses, the first and last numbers are crossed-out
(zeroed out for the System's purpose)

User selects which Even Money layout to use at the Start of a New Session
}
method "main"
begin
While Starting a New Session
begin
Clear record "Progression list" data;
Clear record "Pointer" data;
Clear record "Net Bet to place" data;
Call "Setup Layout";
Call "Maximum Bet Allowed";
call "Reset";
call "Figure next bet";
call "Make Bet";
exit;
end

While record "Current Layout to Bet" layout has lost each time
begin
Put 1 on record "Progression list" Data index;
Put 0 on record "Progression list" data;
put 100% of record "Pointer" data to
record "Progression list" data index;
Put 0 on record "Progression list" data;
end

While record "Current Layout to Bet" layout has won each time
begin
Add 1 on record "Pointer" data;
put 100% of record "Pointer" data to
record "Progression list" data index;
Put 100 % of the last record "Current Layout to Bet" layout on
record "Progression list" data;
end

Put 1 on record "Progression list" Data index;

If record "Progression list" data = 0
begin
Move List Up by 1 to Record "Progression list" Data;
Subtract 2 from Record "Pointer" Data;
Put 1 on record "Progression list" Data index;
end

If record "Progression list" data = 0
begin
//Progression has won. Start Over
call "Reset";
end

call "Figure next bet";

while record "Net Bet to place" data > record "Maximum Bet" data
begin
Display "Maximum Bet has been Reached. Progression will start over.";
call "Reset";
call "Figure next bet";
end

call "Make Bet";
end

method "Reset"
begin
Set List [1,2,3,4] on record "Progression list" data;
Put 4 on record "Pointer" data;
Put 1 on record "Progression list" Data index;
end

method "Figure next bet"
begin
Put 1 on record "Progression list" Data index;
Put 100 % of record "Progression list" data on record "Net Bet to place" Data;

While Record "Pointer" data > 1
begin
put 100% of record "Pointer" data to
record "Progression list" data index;
Add 100 % of record "Progression list" data on record "Net Bet to place" Data;
end
end

method "Make Bet"
begin
Put 100% of record "Net Bet to place" data on record "Current Layout to Bet" layout;
end

method "Setup Layout"
begin
Input Dropdown "Make a Layout Selection

1:=Even
2:=Odd
3:=Red
4:=Black
5:=High (19-36)
6:=Low (1-18)" to Record "Layout Selection" data;

If Record "Layout Selection" data = 1
begin
Copy Even to the Record "Current Layout to Bet" layout;
end
Else
begin
If Record "Layout Selection" data = 2
begin
Copy Odd to the Record "Current Layout to Bet" layout;
end
Else
begin
If Record "Layout Selection" data = 3
begin
Copy Red to the Record "Current Layout to Bet" layout;
end
Else
begin
If Record "Layout Selection" data = 4
begin
Copy Black to the Record "Current Layout to Bet" layout;
end
Else
begin
If Record "Layout Selection" data = 5
begin
Copy High to the Record "Current Layout to Bet" layout;
end
Else
begin
If Record "Layout Selection" data = 6
begin
Copy Low to the Record "Current Layout to Bet" layout;
end
end
end
end
end
end
end

method "Maximum Bet Allowed"
begin
Set Flag "Input Ok" to False;

Loop Until Flag "Input Ok" is True
begin
input data "Enter the Maximum bet Allowed.

Once Maximum Bet is reached, the
Progression will start over."
to record "Maximum Bet" data;

if record "Maximum Bet" data < 6 then
begin
Display "Maximum Bet Must be Greater than Minimum Bet of 5 units.";
end
else
begin
Set Flag "Input Ok" to True;
end
end
end

#### foreverBOB

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##### Re: Bet Selection Makes No Difference or Does it!?
Oct 11, 10:04 AM 2018
Using skips like last or second last, third last will not change the results.
You will see trends (streaks, chops, twins,..) after they happen.
Non of those selections is superior to the other.
Try to run some tests with each of those separately, results will be the same

#### The General

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##### Re: Bet Selection Makes No Difference or Does it!?
Oct 11, 11:29 AM 2018
On the double zero wheel, I could tell someone in advance which color was going to hit the most and they would still be a loser at the end of 10k spins.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

#### Kattila

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##### Re: Bet Selection Makes No Difference or Does it!?
Oct 11, 11:46 AM 2018
What if you have a betselection that is always  singles/chops , or always is series,
not necesary EC, will be a change in the next few spins ?
Take let s say the last 14 numbers ( no repeat) or last 18 no repeat  and put them
into 1212121212..etc.. or 112211221122...etc.., do you think  ( with few exceptions)
that  will hit in the same way/order  or will be a change ?   The Change is close.....

#### The General

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##### Re: Bet Selection Makes No Difference or Does it!?
Oct 11, 11:50 AM 2018
Wouldn't matter.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

#### Kattila

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##### Re: Bet Selection Makes No Difference or Does it!?
Oct 11, 04:52 PM 2018
Wouldn't matter for you, matter for me....
repeat yourself like a  scratched  and  spoiled  Cd.

#### Steve

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##### Re: Bet Selection Makes No Difference or Does it!?
Oct 11, 05:54 PM 2018
It's simple. Test the accuracy of your bet selection over a lot of spins. If the accuracy is the same as random, you changed nothing.

Why so hard to understand?

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