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Nimo

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Interesting
Oct 20, 08:23 PM 2018
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Bigbroben

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Re: Interesting
Oct 20, 08:47 PM 2018
He didn't bring anything new up though, did he?

Point was: expect results to go towards statistical probabilities in the long term.  Did he suggest somehow to play cold nrs?
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Re: Interesting
Oct 20, 09:10 PM 2018
Wasted 8 mins of my life. Video full of misunderstandings.

My answer to his question is no, spins of real wheels arent completely undependent. But his understanding of it is wrong.


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Re: Interesting
Oct 20, 10:06 PM 2018
That word "average" is dangerous-"a single hitting 'on average' a
maximum of 50+ spins when you see a single not hit after 400 spins.

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Re: Interesting
Oct 21, 02:46 AM 2018
Its simple. The winning number is determined byva variety of variables, aka cause and effect. Where the ball is picked up from is one variable, but it doesnt always have a predictable correlation. Its still a variable.

And if this guy knew basic statistics he'd understand on a random wheel, all outcomes are equally likely. Even with a dice, rolls 3, 3, 3 wil happen as often as any other combination.

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Re: Interesting
Oct 21, 05:05 AM 2018
Probability - the chance of something happening

Propensity - the tendency of something happening in a given sequence

Do statistical propensity exist in the game of roulette ?

AP say yes to their game

Systems players say yes to their game

What is strange is there is greater propensity for AP and the rest of the crowd say no to systems play than vv

Must one non-existence enhance the propensity of the other ?
Do the propensity of one diminish the other ?
Do they threaten each others existence ?
Is there any possibility they enhance each other ?
Or simply there's no correlation to be found ?
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Re: Interesting
Oct 21, 09:37 AM 2018
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Whoever created this doesn't understand what independent outcomes means.

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If every gaming result were truly independent, then it would be possible for a roulette table to fail to produce the number 7 in twenty million consecutive spins, because there would be nothing to enforce that occurrence.

But in the real world, unless the world is biased, there is a 100% chance that won't happen.

... the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that it is not possible for gaming results to be truly independent.

He said, "unless the wheel is biased". But even if the wheel is biased the outcomes will still conform to expectations, just a different expectation to what it would be if the wheel wasn't biased. It has nothing to do with outcomes being independent. dependent outcomes means that past results affect future results. If you record enough spins you can find the distribution of outcomes, but once you know that, whether or not you know the spin history doesn't help to predict future spins, and that's what independence means. In roulette past results aren't affecting future results even though you can find the distribution of outcomes from past results; how else could you find the distribution?  ;D

He's just playing with semantics and it doesn't change things in any practical way. If the fact that expectations do work out the way they're expected to then you can call those "non independent" outcomes if you like, but how does it help? It's not the same dependence that you get when playing blackjack, for instance.
If you stick to the statistical definition of independence you wouldn't make the mistake that he has.

Two events are independent if P(B) = P(B | A).

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Re: Interesting
Oct 24, 08:08 AM 2018
Whoever created this doesn't understand what independent outcomes means.

He said, "unless the wheel is biased". But even if the wheel is biased the outcomes will still conform to expectations, just a different expectation to what it would be if the wheel wasn't biased. It has nothing to do with outcomes being independent. dependent outcomes means that past results affect future results. If you record enough spins you can find the distribution of outcomes, but once you know that, whether or not you know the spin history doesn't help to predict future spins, and that's what independence means. In roulette past results aren't affecting future results even though you can find the distribution of outcomes from past results; how else could you find the distribution?  ;D

He's just playing with semantics and it doesn't change things in any practical way. If the fact that expectations do work out the way they're expected to then you can call those "non independent" outcomes if you like, but how does it help? It's not the same dependence that you get when playing blackjack, for instance.
If you stick to the statistical definition of independence you wouldn't make the mistake that he has.

Two events are independent if P(B) = P(B | A).

How about fixing the programs which I've paid you for?
Hey everyone, this person took payments by Paypal and sent me a program with technical issues and another which was NOT what I had melticusly instructed over and over again, it was just his understanding after ALL those DAYS of instructions, explanations and examples!
This person never even replied my emails when I've informed him that he has to fix those 2 programs!
Now, at this forum, pretends the honest and educated programmer, people be aware!!!

 

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