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@The General and anyone else interested in wheel construction.

Here are some photos of my wheel. Sorry only mobile phone ones. Hope they show up OK.

This wheel was made by Cammegh about 2000. It is a low profile scallop. rotor. I bought it off ebay in 2003 when a casino went bust. I used some of my winnings from wheel bias play.

It is cast from a solid block of aluminium and the pockets are machined out. There are no pocket bottoms or frets or moving parts to go wrong. It will spin for 25 mins or more on its own, it hardly slows down at all.

I did make a video of a short spin but can only upload avi here and it's mp4. But this rotor has long scatters. It came off at 8 and went all the way round to 2. That's 3/4 of the wheel which is typical.  It could go round from 1/4 all the way round to full or or more but scatter of 1/2 to 3/4 is typical depending on ball. Its quite hard to predict.

I did win a few £1000s on bias on older Huxley wheels in the 1990s but these  Cammeghs of this type don't seem to have any significant biases. I have recorded a few but not found anything worthwhile playing.

https://ibb.co/fkqvHgJ

https://ibb.co/Sr9PS7G

https://ibb.co/z5PLkqh

https://ibb.co/LxkVrd6

https://ibb.co/fdmX0NY

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@The General and anyone else interested in wheel construction.

Here are some photos of my wheel. Sorry only mobile phone ones. Hope they show up OK.

This wheel was made by Cammegh about 2000. It is a low profile scallop. rotor. I bought it off ebay in 2003 when a casino went bust. I used some of my winnings from wheel bias play.

It is cast from a solid block of aluminium and the pockets are machined out. There are no pocket bottoms or frets or moving parts to go wrong. It will spin for 25 mins or more on its own, it hardly slows down at all.

I did make a video of a short spin but can only upload avi here and it's mp4. But this rotor has long scatters. It came off at 8 and went all the way round to 2. That's 3/4 of the wheel which is typical.  It could go round from 1/4 all the way round to full or or more but scatter of 1/2 to 3/4 is typical depending on ball. Its quite hard to predict.

I did win a few £1000s on bias on older Huxley wheels in the 1990s but these  Cammeghs of this type don't seem to have any significant biases. I have recorded a few but not found anything worthwhile playing.

https://ibb.co/fkqvHgJ

https://ibb.co/Sr9PS7G

https://ibb.co/z5PLkqh

https://ibb.co/LxkVrd6

https://ibb.co/fdmX0NY

https://ibb.co/QkXh4tL

I'd really like to see the thickness of the pocket compartment and the bolt pattern that holds it in place.   It looks like it unlocks from on top of the wheel, just under the  center dome of the wheel.  (The center cone.)   The Huxleys unlock from underneath side of the rotor, unlike your wheel.

I have come across biased versions of this wheel through friends.
Thanks for sharing the pics. :thumbsup:
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I thought the pocket ring was machined out of the same block as the rotor. But if it is seperate there may be bolts under the numbers ring? There are no bolts on the bottom. Or maybe bolts under the cone?

I don't know how to dismantle it any further. There is some fitting under the turret, but I  think you need a special tool.

Ignore the coloured stickers on the numbers ring, they are part of my pocket identification  system! Can be easily peeled off.




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I thought the pocket ring was machined out of the same block as the rotor. But if it is seperate there may be bolts under the numbers ring? There are no bolts on the bottom. Or maybe bolts under the cone?

I don't know how to dismantle it any further. There is some fitting under the turret, but I  think you need a special tool.

Ignore the coloured stickers on the numbers ring, they are part of my pocket identification  system! Can be easily peeled off.

It's not one solid piece.  The pocket compartment is a separate unit.  I believe it unlocks from on top.




Above...here's a pic of my Huxley Starburst pocket compartment unbolted from my wheel. 
 I 've taken the wheel a part to reassemble the pocket compartment in different ways to simulate bias and for testing purposes.
My wheel came from the Taj Mahal in AC.  On my wheel bolts come from below and hold the pocket compartment in place.  Tighten on section of bolts too much before tightening the others can create a rise and fall effect.  It can also cause on section to loose full contact with the floor of the rotor and create an energy dampening effect.

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Yes must be here to unlock

https://ibb.co/Sr9PS7G

Cammegh might have a special tool, but they probably would not sell me one.

Sorry can't get pics to show up from that server with the  [img ] tags.

I never thought that the pocket ring may be seperate, but it makes sense, if it got damaged, they could just replace one part. I think these wheels cost about £8 to £10k new.

If they replace the ring, they should use a torque wrench, but they may not!


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Yes must be here to unlock

https://ibb.co/Sr9PS7G

Cammegh might have a special tool, but they probably would not sell me one.

Sorry can't get pics to show up from that server with the  [img ] tags.

I never thought that the pocket ring may be seperate, but it makes sense, if it got damaged, they could just replace one part. I think these wheels cost about £8 to £10k new.

If they replace the ring, they should use a torque wrench, but they may not!

You don't need to undo the silver part.  I believe the dark brown part in the picture is a collar that will unscrew if you turn it by hand.   From there you can lift the wood laminate cone and then you'll see the pocket compartment.
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Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try tomorrow. The whole wheel needs a clean so it would be useful to take the ring off if possible.

I think my wheel came from Swansea in Wales... a step down from AC! But it was pretty new when I got it. I don't it had seen much use.

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This wheel doesn’t rotate, are you training on a wheel that doesn’t rotate ?
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You guys showed me yours. I feel compelled to show mine. They are 2 huxleys, a mk2 and mk7 with standard pockets, and mk7 with velstone. The newest is in my videos. I only use the velstone one now. 2 from star city in sydney, and 1 from holland casino.

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I love the starburst. But id avoid that before i avoid a typical cammegh with low frets.

The scallops were all the rage once but i rarely seem them today. Im guessing the starbust quickly superceded it.

Nice pics guys. They make me all hot.

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Not as hot as Dr Karl's logarithms I'll bet!

The scallops do seem to be a bit out of favour but they still make them, see attached. That's a fiendish wheel with a European layout but two 0's next to each other.

I use mine mainly for practising prediction but I need to get some new 18mm balls for it. Just have to adjust for different scatter plot if it's a Huxley or another different kind of Cammegh.

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This wheel doesn’t rotate, are you training on a wheel that doesn’t rotate ?

It rotates.  I hold it, and then run in circles.   :xd:

The pictures are only of when it was taken apart.  I of course put it back together and it rotates fine.   I also have another  wheel Huxley Mark Series Mk6 with frets.

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You guys showed me yours. I feel compelled to show mine. They are 2 huxleys, a mk2 and mk7 with standard pockets, and mk7 with velstone. The newest is in my videos. I only use the velstone one now. 2 from star city in sydney, and 1 from holland casino.

Regarding the "Velstone" track.  Did you know that the track is just polyester combined with aluminum hydroxide and pigment?  Huxley did a fine job of implying that it was ceramic, but it's  not.  It's essentially the same material (the clear coating) that's used over the other parts of the wheel except that it has the aluminum hydroxide added (like a wood floor finish) and pigment  is added.  It's very thick but it's still producing great dominant ball drops. 

As Huxley changed the Mark Series from Mark 4, 5,6, to Mark 7 it's very interesting to look at how the ball lap times went from being very linear to a strong curve as the tilting of the track changed.
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I had a look at the fixing under the turret. The brown bit is part of the cone top. The way to disassemble the rotor def seems to be those two holes and the use of a special wrench.

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View of wrench holes.

 

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