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#### Firefox

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 24, 09:01 AM 2019
@Herby Good point. Well in this case, I would take it to mean regular, repeatable, predictable patterns of results over tens, thousands, or millions (or infinite numbers of spins in the case of true random numbers).

Such patterns, if identified, being an indicator of  numbers about to appear giving a greater probability of a result appearing than may be expected a priori or by chance alone, and thus being an aid to betting.

In the case of true random numbers, such cycles do not exist. That's one of the definitions of true random.

In the case of pseudo-random numbers such as a RNG algorithm from modulo arithmetic, such cycles may exist over a huge (but not infinite) number of spins. Whether such a cycle would be exploitable I don't know. Some claim to have done it, but I don't know enough about the subject to know how true that claim is.

#### Herby

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 24, 11:03 AM 2019
@Firefox,
if you make a definition such that no object can exist so it doesn't help.
You have a proof for your self-fulfilling prophecy. You can write this many 1000 times into a forum and think you understood some math.

I see MoneyT: "No such thing as cycles... don’t waste your time"

#### Firefox

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 24, 11:11 AM 2019
Herby, if predictable cycles exist, then the definition of random numbers is not satisfied. I think you're arguing against yourself there!

And, if you think they do, and the numbers are still random, then you are welcome to find them, and go out there to make your fortune. Please give us a slice of the action

#### KoolKat

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 25, 10:47 AM 2019
I invite anyone to fill my 15 spins with dozens and prove me wrong.  Find a way for no dozen to repeat in the same row after all 15 spins.  Use actual spins

1...4...7...10...13

2...5...8...11....14

3...6...9....12...15

There are 27 combinations of 3 digits... you can even add the 0/00.

Use actual spins and prove me wrong

Could be rng, real table, or from random.org

Doesn’t matter!!!!

Hi MONEYT101

I have been reading your post with great interest. When testing (just seeing if you get a repeat of a dozen in 15 spins in the same line.) I came across this set of 15 spins. was all going good until I got the below Spins. Regards Koolkat

1   2   3   1   2   11   17   34   8   17
2   1   3   1   3   14   11   33   9   28
1   3   1   3   2   10   31   12   27   13

#### Person S

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 25, 03:12 PM 2019
It is a pity that Steve and his followers did not understand the message.

There is no Grail in this topic, there was a slight superiority over the game, which does not make you a millionaire overnight, but you do not feel bad, because the choice of the bet will be more conscious. I still hope that MoneyT will drop in here ... And if that happens, let me ask you a question.

Above was the mention of 3 independent sources of obtaining numbers. It somehow has to do with the dynamic flow from the rrbb. In its subject there are only 2 streams - direct and dynamic. It turns out that there is also a third?
Or are these three components we are looking at in a dynamic sequence and are looking for connections (EC, dozen, line, etc.)? Correct me if I am mistaken ...

#### MoneyT101

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 25, 03:47 PM 2019
Hi MONEYT101

I have been reading your post with great interest. When testing (just seeing if you get a repeat of a dozen in 15 spins in the same line.) I came across this set of 15 spins. was all going good until I got the below Spins. Regards Koolkat

1   2   3   1   2   11   17   34   8   17
2   1   3   1   3   14   11   33   9   28
1   3   1   3   2   10   31   12   27   13

Based on my chart...131 on Spin 9 was the repeat
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### MoneyT101

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 25, 03:49 PM 2019
It is a pity that Steve and his followers did not understand the message.

There is no Grail in this topic, there was a slight superiority over the game, which does not make you a millionaire overnight, but you do not feel bad, because the choice of the bet will be more conscious. I still hope that MoneyT will drop in here ... And if that happens, let me ask you a question.

Above was the mention of 3 independent sources of obtaining numbers. It somehow has to do with the dynamic flow from the rrbb. In its subject there are only 2 streams - direct and dynamic. It turns out that there is also a third?
Or are these three components we are looking at in a dynamic sequence and are looking for connections (EC, dozen, line, etc.)? Correct me if I am mistaken ...

Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 25, 04:27 PM 2019

Cycles are just a way to organize the information.  By using the math within a cycle you know what happens less and what happens more.

Now within this world of this math there are other games you can play which will give you an edge

Would VDW be an example of a ‘game within this math’ ?

#### KoolKat

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Feb 26, 10:36 AM 2019
Based on my chart...131 on Spin 9 was the repeat

Gotcha thank you

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Mar 09, 02:43 AM 2019
Come on guys we can work this out...........
Money says it all starts here with 15... He also talks alot about making pairs....
Well, out of 30 people at a party, there can be 435 handshakes... thoughts??

#### Anastasius

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Mar 09, 07:31 AM 2019
Yes random has limits. Iv done 500k worth of spin rx tests that have ended + .all played spins.  At least half the numbers played .with a mechanical bet the same way each time flat bet method.
Boom boom sir

#### Anastasius

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Mar 09, 07:32 AM 2019
But downswingz that can go on 800 spins or more. So its not practical  to actually play
Boom boom sir

#### ati

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Mar 09, 03:26 PM 2019
Come on guys we can work this out...........
Money says it all starts here with 15... He also talks alot about making pairs....
Well, out of 30 people at a party, there can be 435 handshakes... thoughts??
There are many things that need to be considered and there are many ways to look at the data to create games. When we talk about "limits of random" we mean that it cannot go on forever without a repeat. You can always tell what is the maximum number of spins for any playing position or any event before a repeat happens. So many info has been shared on the forum, it can literally take years to digest all of it and to really understand what they mean.
There are posts and threads that I have read tens of times over the years, and considered them to be useless because I didn't understand them, but everithing is part of the puzzle.

I'm currently working on combining outcomes. Look at the following example, where I combine high or low position of two consecutive spins. The second spin of the first event is the first spin of the second event.

There are four possible events

LL - 1
LH - 2
HL - 3
HH - 4

19  H
23  H  the previous and current positions combined is HH / event 4
13  L  HL / event 3
32  H LH / event 2

At this point I know that in the next spin there must be a repeat. I also know that event 2 cannot repeat and event 1 cannot happen, because the last number was H. So the next event will be either HH or HL. There are four possible events but only these two can happen.
The problem here is that the next number can be either a high number or a low number, so we don't know what to bet on.

I'm 100% sure that something like the above can be utilized somehow and can be combined with other things to create a winning method. I wish I knew how

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Mar 09, 04:00 PM 2019
There are many things that need to be considered and there are many ways to look at the data to create games. When we talk about "limits of random" we mean that it cannot go on forever without a repeat. You can always tell what is the maximum number of spins for any playing position or any event before a repeat happens. So many info has been shared on the forum, it can literally take years to digest all of it and to really understand what they mean.
There are posts and threads that I have read tens of times over the years, and considered them to be useless because I didn't understand them, but everithing is part of the puzzle.

I'm currently working on combining outcomes. Look at the following example, where I combine high or low position of two consecutive spins. The second spin of the first event is the first spin of the second event.

There are four possible events

LL - 1
LH - 2
HL - 3
HH - 4

19  H
23  H  the previous and current positions combined is HH / event 4
13  L  HL / event 3
32  H LH / event 2

At this point I know that in the next spin there must be a repeat. I also know that event 2 cannot repeat and event 1 cannot happen, because the last number was H. So the next event will be either HH or HL. There are four possible events but only these two can happen.
The problem here is that the next number can be either a high number or a low number, so we don't know what to bet on.

I'm 100% sure that something like the above can be utilized somehow and can be combined with other things to create a winning method. I wish I knew how

No. From any angle its not helpful. Still the next spin matters. U can add some more combi, doesnt matter. Moreover 0 will add more pain. The closer u can go is by selecting a hot combi if u play enough spin not only 4 spin. Still a guess, but better guess , not 100%

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##### Re: Does random have limits?
Mar 09, 04:02 PM 2019
There are many things that need to be considered and there are many ways to look at the data to create games. When we talk about "limits of random" we mean that it cannot go on forever without a repeat. You can always tell what is the maximum number of spins for any playing position or any event before a repeat happens. So many info has been shared on the forum, it can literally take years to digest all of it and to really understand what they mean.
There are posts and threads that I have read tens of times over the years, and considered them to be useless because I didn't understand them, but everithing is part of the puzzle.

I'm currently working on combining outcomes. Look at the following example, where I combine high or low position of two consecutive spins. The second spin of the first event is the first spin of the second event.

There are four possible events

LL - 1
LH - 2
HL - 3
HH - 4

19  H
23  H  the previous and current positions combined is HH / event 4
13  L  HL / event 3
32  H LH / event 2

At this point I know that in the next spin there must be a repeat. I also know that event 2 cannot repeat and event 1 cannot happen, because the last number was H. So the next event will be either HH or HL. There are four possible events but only these two can happen.
The problem here is that the next number can be either a high number or a low number, so we don't know what to bet on.

I'm 100% sure that something like the above can be utilized somehow and can be combined with other things to create a winning method. I wish I knew how

Bet L.

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