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Hypothetical question

Started by Badger, Feb 22, 09:13 AM 2019

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Badger

I would like to ask a hypothetical question. Take any even chance bet.

If my session consisted of 100 spins and I always ended with 51 wins out of 100 spins, what strategy could I employ to take advantage of that?
Variance could still make me lose 10 bets in a row, yet I always end up with 51 wins in a session.

Could anyone give me an idea?
I know that Albalaha used to do these excersizes with worst case scenarios, like 25 wins in 100 spins.
But I would like to know how to play if I had a slight advantage, instead of the casino having a slight advantage.
The biggest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance ; it is the illusion of knowledge.
Daniel J Boorstin.

Badger

Here is one possible session :

w   1   1
w   1   2
   -1   1
   -1   0
w   1   1
w   1   2
   -1   1
   -1   0
   -1   -1
   -1   -2
w   1   -1
w   1   0
w   1   1
   -1   0
w   1   1
w   1   2
w   1   3
w   1   4
w   1   5
w   1   6
   -1   5
w   1   6
w   1   7
   -1   6
w   1   7
   -1   6
   -1   5
   -1   4
w   1   5
   -1   4
w   1   5
   -1   4
   -1   3
   -1   2
   -1   1
   -1   0
w   1   1
   -1   0
w   1   1
   -1   0
   -1   -1
w   1   0
   -1   -1
   -1   -2
   -1   -3
w   1   -2
   -1   -3
w   1   -2
   -1   -3
   -1   -4
w   1   -3
   -1   -4
w   1   -3
   -1   -4
   -1   -5
w   1   -4
   -1   -5
   -1   -6
   -1   -7
w   1   -6
   -1   -7
w   1   -6
   -1   -7
w   1   -6
w   1   -5
w   1   -4
   -1   -5
   -1   -6
   -1   -7
   -1   -8
   -1   -9
   -1   -10
w   1   -9
w   1   -8
w   1   -7
w   1   -6
w   1   -5
w   1   -4
   -1   -5
   -1   -6
   -1   -7
   -1   -8
w   1   -7
w   1   -6
   -1   -7
   -1   -8
w   1   -7
w   1   -6
w   1   -5
w   1   -4
w   1   -3
w   1   -2
w   1   -1
w   1   0
   -1   -1
w   1   0
w   1   1
w   1   2
w   1   3
   -1   2
The biggest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance ; it is the illusion of knowledge.
Daniel J Boorstin.

Wally Gator

If what you’re saying is accurate for your bet selection, you don’t need a strategy, just decide how much you want to make, use that amount as a base bet and multiply it times the number of possible losses you’ll encounter.  HG right there ... LOL.  Good luck.
A person with a new idea is a crank until the idea succeeds. ~ Mark Twain

Badger

Thanks for the reply Wally.  :thumbsup:

I get what you're saying. If I want to make $1000 per session, I must bring say $10 000 bankroll.
I do understand that it would be an HG if we could find this kind of bet selection. But what if we had a 50% win rate. Would it still work? And then again if we only had a 49% win rate. That is why I started at a hypothetical figure of 51%.

However, there must be an elegant and easier way with smaller bank roll.
So far, from what I have read on forums , Belgians labby would be an option. The 9 zero's would soak up the bad variance and the labby recovers 2 losses with 1 win.

I thought that some of the members who are more experienced would have some ideas on how to play if you had the smallest of advantages, with a low bankroll.
The biggest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance ; it is the illusion of knowledge.
Daniel J Boorstin.

Firefox

Quote from: Badger on Feb 22, 09:13 AM 2019
If my session consisted of 100 spins and I always ended with 51 wins out of 100 spins, what strategy could I employ to take advantage of that?

Both D'Alambert and Labouchere should work with 51 wins to 49. Both can give profits even when the win numbers are against eg 40 wins to 60 losses, but they tend to fall into big holes after that mark leaving you with long outstanding lines if one chance persists at about 35 wins in 100 only which can easily happen.

Kattila

Badger,
Try to avoid  Ls streaks and try to catch Ws streaks.
Use Lw strategy .....wait virtual W bet until L2 stop, wait again
Progression possitive,
Rise only after W , down after L
1,2,4,8,10,20,30,60, 70,100,  optional 200

At new high  reset ( but can reset at any point you wish)

So rise bets when win , reduce bets when lose.....

wv......virtual W
w.....real W
lv......virt  L
l1l2.......real  Ls


Your session with LW strategy + pos progr. :
(if any mistake sorry, i made it fast)

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wv                    bet 1u
w              +1  , bet 2u
l1               -1  , bet 1u
l2  stop       -2
wv                     bet 1
w               -1     bet 2
l1               -3     bet 1
l2 stop        -4
lv
lv
wv                     bet 1
w               -5     bet 2
w               -3     bet 4
l1               -7     bet 2
w               -5     bet 4
w               -1     bet 8
w               +7    bet 1
w                +8  same....
w                +9
w                +10
l1                +9   
w                +10  bet 2
w                +12  bet 1
l1                +11  bet 1
w                 +12  bet 2
l1                 +10  bet 1
l2  stop         +9
lv
wv                        bet 1
l1                  +8   bet 1
w                   +9   bet 2
l1                   +7  bet 1
l2  stop           +6
lv
lv
lv
wv                         bet 1
l1                    +5  bet 1
w                     +6  bet 2
l1                     +4  bet 1
l2  stop             +3
wv                           bet 1
l1                     +2   bet 1
l2                      +1
lv
wv                            bet 1
l1                       0    bet 1
w                       +1  bet 2
l1                       -1   bet 1
l2  stop               -2
wv                             bet 1
l1                       -3    bet 1
w                       -2    bet 2
l1                       -4    bet 1
l2                       -5
wv                             bet 1
l1                       -6    bet 1
l2                       -7
lv
wv                             bet 1
l1                       -8    bet 1
w                       -7     bet 2
l1                       -9    bet 1
w                       -8    bet 2
w                       -6    bet 4
w                       -2    bet 8
l1                       -10  bet 4
l2  stop               -14
lv
lv
lv
lv
wv                              bet 2
w                        -12   bet 4
w                        -8     bet 8
w                          0    bet 10
w                        +10  bet 20 
w                        +30  bet 1
l1                        +29  bet 1
l2 stop                 +28
lv
lv
wv                                 bet 1
w                         +29    bet 2
l1                         +27    bet 1
l2                          +26   
wv                                   bet 1
w                          +27     bet 2
w                          +29    bet 4
w                          +33    bet 1
w                           +34   same...
w                           +35
w                           +36
w                           +37
l1                           +36
w                           +37  bet 2
w                           +39  bet 1
w                           +40  same....
w                           +41 
l1                           +40   end



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Badger

Many thanks for the replies.

I do want to look at positive progressions. Thanks Kattila.

I know that Belgian would play one side of an even chance, say just Red. The worst case scenario is 65 wins in 200 spins. Yet he felt that his Labby could handle that.

I think one could make a better bet selection than playing just red. You may not hit 50%, but as Firefox says, I am sure one can stay above 40%.
I will look at W/L strategy Kattila.
Thanks again.
The biggest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance ; it is the illusion of knowledge.
Daniel J Boorstin.

Firefox

QuoteI do want to look at positive progressions. Thanks Kattila

You do want, or do not want ... context does not seem clear from above?

Labby is a negative progression. You bet your own capital to clear your initial line. As is D'Alembert (aka Split Martingale) They win steadily even with results against you slightly say 40w 60l.

If you want to play positive progressions, use Reverse Labby, Paroli, Contra D'Alembert, or 1-3-2-6. These all lose steadily, but when results are in your favour, they can win big.

(All positve and negative pogression systems lose in the long run though, just different loss patterns)

Mako

Quote from: Firefox on Feb 22, 05:00 PM 2019
Labby is a negative progression. You bet your own capital to clear your initial line. As is D'Alembert (aka Split Martingale) They win steadily even with results against you slightly say 40w 60l.

If you want to play positive progressions, use Reverse Labby, Paroli, Contra D'Alembert, or 1-3-2-6. These all lose steadily, but when results are in your favour, they can win big.

1-3-2-4, or the more aggressive 1-3-2-6, are the first that came to mind after seeing the post, simply because in Bacc I always use them if I feel I'm playing with favorable circumstances at the moment.

If you really do have something at a 51% strike rate over small, medium, and long sessions, give it 1-3-2-4 a try and see how you do Badger.

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