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#### slopez007

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##### It works - RNG
Aug 23, 01:25 PM 2020

Es muy sencillo y se entiende aún para quienes no sean ingleses parlantes. Por favor, si necesitan ayuda en español, me avisan.
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#### 6th-sense

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 23, 02:20 PM 2020
http://ayk.bplaced.net/tracker8/  put 37 spins in and click on unhit tab..the unhits will all light up..

...and heres a proper explanation of what you think you are seeing..

https://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4960.0

#### Joe

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 24, 04:16 AM 2020
Instead of betting on the unhit numbers after 37 spins, try betting the same number of numbers picked randomly. You'll find that the results are the same. Why? because outcomes are independent and past spins don't influence future spins.
Logic. It's always in the way.

#### MumboJumbo

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 24, 06:35 AM 2020
You'll find that the results are the same. Why? because outcomes are independent and past spins don't influence future spins.

If past spins don't influence future spins how can we have law of the third then?
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#### ati

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 24, 08:06 AM 2020
There is no such thing as law of the third. It would be a law if the probability was a definite 100% for the repeats. Which is not.
Past doesn't influence the future in random, the so called law of the third is simply the result of the birthday problem.
You either see 24 numbers repeat in 37 spins, or you don't. Anything can happen, and if you bet on it, you will lose from time to time.

#### Azim

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 24, 08:11 AM 2020
http://ayk.bplaced.net/tracker8/  put 37 spins in and click on unhit tab..the unhits will all light up..

...and heres a proper explanation of what you think you are seeing..

https://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4960.0

Nice new traccker. Congrats.

Question what is the T and W under sectors and Quads and the rest?
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#### A3on

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 24, 09:00 AM 2020
It seems like:
T - Table
W - Wheel

Nice Tracker btw, congrats
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#### Azim

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 24, 09:54 AM 2020
I could be wrong but T-> Table and W-> Wheel  would be hard to do for lines and street dozen and columns
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#### Joe

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 24, 10:55 AM 2020
If past spins don't influence future spins how can we have law of the third then?

You might as well ask why the chance of red in the next spin is 18/37 if past spins don't influence future spins. It's a non sequitur. Actually, the law of the third only 'works' because spins are independent!
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#### 6th-sense

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 24, 12:54 PM 2020
I could be wrong but T-> Table and W-> Wheel  would be hard to do for lines and street dozen and columns

correct..all placed as it should be interpreted on the wheel

#### Richard Meisel

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 24, 02:50 PM 2020
There is no such thing as law of the third. It would be a law if the probability was a definite 100% for the repeats. Which is not.
Past doesn't influence the future in random, the so called law of the third is simply the result of the birthday problem.
You either see 24 numbers repeat in 37 spins, or you don't. Anything can happen, and if you bet on it, you will lose from time to time.
Is roulette TRULY random? Are these next statements True or False? The basic definition of random is “Having no specific pattern”. So does roulette really have no specific pattern?

The fact of the matter is nothing ever has “no specific pattern”, so nothing is “random”. People call things “random” when they don’t see or understand the “cause and effect”. In other words, events occur because of the variables that cause the event to happen. In the context of roulette, the roulette ball lands where it does because of real physical variables such as ball release speed, ball physical properties, wheel (rotor) speed and so on. This should be obvious, so the question is not whether or not roulette is “random”, but more whether or not we can determine the variables and predict the winning number with sufficient accuracy to overcome the casino’s “unfair payouts”. I'm not sure if its True or false, mainly because I believe I can read randomness.

#### gizmotron2

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 25, 09:38 AM 2020
In other words, events occur because of the variables that cause the event to happen.
Yep, its random. The wheel & ball combo produces random outcomes. But those random outcomes sometimes come in the shape of figure formations, all caused by coincidence. They are not deterministic. But they do exist. Each formation is unique and without connection to any other coincidence. Yet they can miraculously swarm as a type all across multi channeled tracking systems. These are sort of perfect moments. Then there are the micro trends or patterns. That's a science all unto itself too. The deeper you look the more you can see. The casinos have no defense against a skilled expert of reading randomness. In fact they don't even know there are experts at it.

Sure there have been trend players for centuries. But nobody has postulated a notion of the perfect pattern, "Elegant Patterns," or swarms of the same characteristic, "Global Effect."  When this coincidence of randomness occurs you can take thousands off the casino.  Then there are the skeptics that don't believe any of this.  They are real and they really think it is all baloney. So we live in a world of possible missed opportunity.  You can protect yourself from learning this skill by doing nothing and waiting until it is proven to you.  You will be fine without it. I will be fine with it. It all works out in the end. Either I'm the stupid donkey or those that reject it are the stupid donkeys. It's all very simple. There is no need to get all in a huff over it.  It's here. Take it or leave it.

#### Herby

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 25, 10:35 AM 2020
law of the third only 'works' because spins are independent!
Wrong !
Right is:
If the spins are independent the "law of the third" (law of the turd as firefox said)  'works' in the long term.

Jo, I'm sure you are able to see the difference.

#### Joe

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 25, 10:36 AM 2020
In the context of roulette, the roulette ball lands where it does because of real physical variables such as ball release speed, ball physical properties, wheel (rotor) speed and so on. This should be obvious

Yes it's obvious. What's not obvious is why people persist in ignoring those variables which actually determine where the ball lands and focus instead on 'the law of the third' and their ilk. It's mistaking the map for the territory. The territory 'caused' the map, not the other way round. Previous numbers and stats can't tell you what the next spin or spins are going to be on their own any more than the map can tell you what it feels like to actually walk up the hill.

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Either I'm the stupid donkey or those that reject it are the stupid donkeys.

I'll go with the first option.
Logic. It's always in the way.

#### Joe

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##### Re: It works - RNG
Aug 25, 10:42 AM 2020
If the spins are independent the "law of the third" (law of the turd as firefox said)  'works' in the long term.

Herby, I didn't say that the law of the third doesn't work. Let's clarify what I mean by 'work'. I mean that after 37 spins the average numbers unhit really is about 12-13. But it doesn't 'work' in the sense that knowing this gives you any advantage or helps to predict what the next number or numbers are going to be.

What I meant was that the probability distribution which is used to prove the law of the third assumes that outcomes are independent. If they weren't there would be no law of the third as we know it.
Logic. It's always in the way.