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Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Oct 25, 08:23 PM 2021
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& some GoodFellows'll be pissed ..

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Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Oct 25, 08:57 PM 2021
“To form a 38 spin repeating cycle using the 'PIGEONHOLE' principle in roulette requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' betting rules !!”

“STEP 3.
I fed words that matched those in the 37 word set into my 100% Winning roulette system from the posts in the thread on the forum. My system created the 38 spin cycle and calculated the 'bet' amounts

These two quotes are from when dyksexlic spoke about word roulette vs rng roulette

Pay attention to the details…. specific betting rules and that the system created the 38 spin cycle
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Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Oct 25, 09:14 PM 2021
Thanks for the reply....i think most of us know the claims, but nowhere even a small hint what to do in practice.They are so broadly worded that it could be anything.

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Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Oct 25, 09:54 PM 2021
Thanks for the reply....i think most of us know the claims, but nowhere even a small hint what to do in practice.They are so broadly worded that it could be anything.

Honestly many things are posted outright.  Just when it’s read we create our own understanding of what it means.

You know how many times I’ve read that info and just now I realized I’m doing something wrong.  It’s been what 5-7 years now?!

Those quotes clearly tell you that the 38 spins need to be created using the pigeonhole principal….What is everyone doing?

Everyone is tracking cycles betting on spins

Only thing is I learned early on to play for events and it’s why I’ve somewhat had success but even then I’ve been missing something.
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Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Oct 26, 02:17 AM 2021
“To form a 38 spin repeating cycle using the 'PIGEONHOLE' principle in roulette requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' betting rules !!”

“STEP 3.
I fed words that matched those in the 37 word set into my 100% Winning roulette system from the posts in the thread on the forum. My system created the 38 spin cycle and calculated the 'bet' amounts

These two quotes are from when dyksexlic spoke about word roulette vs rng roulette

Pay attention to the details…. specific betting rules and that the system created the 38 spin cycle

Once I had this idea, to use wheel outcomes as input to my system, and instead of seeking a repeat in numbers, look for a repeat in the input of my system. I tried a few ideas, like assuming the input is "the distance between previous number and current number". In this way, any input (wheel outcome) would point to 2 numbers on wheel (back and forth). So instead of looking for a repeat in wheel outcome itself, I would be looking for a repeat in distances. Obviously didn't work, but I guess this is how it's done. The challenge is to find an event that repeats at the same time as the real outcomes, but betting on all of previous outcomes of it (to catch a repeat) doesn't drain your bankroll (and your soul!). There must be a way to cancel a good number of bets while looking for a repeat, obviously lose some of them, but at the end you will have a guaranteed hit by 38th spin. PhP.

@Mel, how do assess this methodology?

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Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Oct 26, 05:39 AM 2021
Everyone is tracking cycles betting on spins

I mean somehow must people play, we are betting spins when we play....The talk about events could be right,but in practice nobody knows how to use it, when and with what kind of Betselection to bet  etc

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Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Oct 26, 11:01 AM 2021
I mean somehow must people play, we are betting spins when we play....The talk about events could be right,but in practice nobody knows how to use it, when and with what kind of Betselection to bet  etc

Yes when you play you are placing a bet on a spin

Some of my recent post share information on betting on events. I also talk about how everything can be a cycle.  Pri has some post about it.  Even Falkor gave detailed examples on this forum of how to bet on events
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Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Oct 26, 06:50 PM 2021
Yes when you play you are placing a bet on a spin

That's the problem (or so it seems). No matter the "events" or "processes" that our method is based on, the actual game proceeds one spin/bet at a time. If we want to accumulate winnings over multiple spins, we have to "collect" them on the level of individual spins, because there is no other way to do it.

Unfortunately, spins are independent. This means that the outcome (W or L) of an individual bet is tied to a single spin. Context (of other spins/outcomes) has no bearing on number generation.

How are we supposed to circumvent this? Yes, I know about "dependencies" that we can create "on paper". But at some point this has to translate into something that matters when we actually place a bet.

So the question is: How is such a "translation" possible, given the independence of spins?

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Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Oct 26, 07:56 PM 2021
That's the problem (or so it seems). No matter the "events" or "processes" that our method is based on, the actual game proceeds one spin/bet at a time. If we want to accumulate winnings over multiple spins, we have to "collect" them on the level of individual spins, because there is no other way to do it.

Unfortunately, spins are independent. This means that the outcome (W or L) of an individual bet is tied to a single spin. Context (of other spins/outcomes) has no bearing on number generation.

How are we supposed to circumvent this? Yes, I know about "dependencies" that we can create "on paper". But at some point this has to translate into something that matters when we actually place a bet.

So the question is: How is such a "translation" possible, given the independence of spins?

You still don’t understand what I am telling you!

Let’s just use RB as a quick example

If we get this result

RRBRBRRBBBRR

Each spin is 50% outcome we can agree

But now let’s say we track in pairs as a stitched bet we will have 4 groups.  Each spin is still 50% outcome but the overall game play is 25%

Group 1 -RR
Group 2 -RB
Group 3 -BB
Group 4 -BR

RR BR BR RB BB RR
-1—4—4—2—3—1

Your winning bet isn’t based on what happens on the first or the second spin individually

It’s based on what happens in both bets together

You can take this further and add a bet on double street only on the second ec bet

So now let’s say your Second ec bet your expecting R..  you can only choose from double street 123.  Clearly you can’t choose 456 because they go with black

This is a form of dependency but also your stitched bet is a form of dependency because without the first bet winning the second bet isn’t possible.  You need the result to match for the second bet

Now you can take this further and track 3 spins or more.

But my point is… yes you are betting on a spin but your overall result doesn’t depend on 1 spin. It depends on what happens over a group

Same as 37 numbers you can only get to about 29 unique spins. This also applies to groups.  It’s a rule with numbers and they all follow it.

So whatever math statistics I get with paired ec I will get using quads bet of 9 numbers ( groups 1-4 as well)
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole