2nd Dozen

[GLC]

This is called the 2nd dozen because whenever we hit on the 2nd dozen we win.

Since I always give credit where credit is due, I give Compa credit for this idea.

This bet is 2/3 of his H/L Formula system which was 1/3 too complicated for me to understand, but I did get this far.

We bet 1 unit on either the 1-18 e.c. or 19-36 e.c. and also 1 unit on the 2nd dozen.
If a number 1-18 hits, bet 1-18 e.c. and 2nd dozen for the next spin.
If a number 19-36 hits, bet 19-36 e.c. and 2nd dozen for the next spin.
(This is only a suggested bet selection method.  If you have one you prefer, use it.)

We start by betting 2 units, 1 unit on each location.
This means you will either lose 2 units, win 3 units, win 1 unit or break even depending on what spins.

If you are betting on the 1-18 e.c. and 2nd dozen a hit on 1-12 results in a break even.
A hit on 13-18 results in a 3 unit win.  A hit on 19-24 results in a 1 unit win.  And a hit on 0 or 25-36 results in a 2 unit loss.

A gradual bet progression is useful. 1111122222333334444455555 etc...(Naturally, we bet 2 units times each number on the bet line.)  
When you lose a spin move 2 steps to the right  If you win a 1 unit hit, move 1 step to the left and if you hit a 3 unit win, move 3 steps to the left.  As always you can stretch this line out for added safety or shorten it for a more aggressive attack.  Suit yourself.

Use your own win target.  I use 20 units with a 200 unit bank.  I haven't even gotten close to the limit.

Compa was on to something with his system, he just covered a little too much of the wheel for my tastes.

Give it a test run.  You'll be surprised.

George

P.S.  If you want you can bet 2 units on the e.c. and 1 on the 2nd dozen. This will give you a 1 unit win when you hit the e.c.  You'll need to tweak the the bet method to take into account the 3 units instead of 2 units on a loss.

[weddings]

Good find George but from my past experience high/low and a dozen dun work well in the long run. Maybe this idea can prove me wrong?

[GLC]

Good find George but from my past experience high/low and a dozen dun work well in the long run. Maybe this idea can prove me wrong?

I know what you mean and I agree that other hi/lo + doz methods haven't been very stable.

This one seems to work a little better because of the overlap of the two bets.

Also, with the bet line being a slow go, it tends to keep you in the game until a hit in the overlap area which gives an added boost to your total.

Of course, as with them all, there are spin sequences that can kill the system, but there are a lot of them that give pretty quick wins.

As with all systems like this, it's a hit n run method.

But, I like it as well or better than most others.

It's easy to play.  Try a few tests and let me know how it turns out.

George

[GLC]

If anyone's interested I have palyed a total of 8 sessions.  Five to 20 units and 3 to 40 units.

That's +220 units and no losses.

I know that's not much but it's a pretty good start.

I'm not going to post again until I have a difficult session.  I need to see what that looks like.  It shouldn't take too long.  I seem to be able to sniff out the bad ones.

I, unfortunately, struggle with grinder bet lines so I have played different bet lines.

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 Is my favorite right now.  +1 on a loss and move back 1 on a 1 unit win and move back 2 (or 3) on a 3 unit win.  I have gotten to two 5 unit bets but won a couple of 3unit bets which helped me recover quickly.

At new high, start over at 1 unit.

When the 2nd dozen is hitting, this wins quick.  (Of course I know that's like saying if you bet on the number 1 and a lot of 1's are hitting etc...)

I think that if you had a 1000 unit bankroll you'd never go bust.  But, test and be convinced in your own mind.

George

[GLC]

Okay, I'm sure that you guys are just passing up an excellent system.

I have played another 4 sessions for +160 units.

I am playing more aggressively now because I am having such a good hit rate.

I am playing with the above mentioned tweak.  2 units on the Hi/Lo e.c. and 1 unit on 2nd dozen.  This gives me more 1 unit wins and fewer break even wins.

I am betting a fibo 2&1-2&1-4&2-6&3-10&5-16&8-26&13-42&21-64&32 etc...  The second number represents the fibo progression 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-32-64 etc...

If I lose at 2&1, I stay at 2&1 until I hit 1 unit 3 times or 3 units 1 time then I go back to the beginning.  Anytime you hit the e.c. and 2 dozen, you will be back to even or + if you've hit some 1 unit wins along the way so start over.

This is hitting at a very high rate.

Luck?  Maybe.

If I could get even 1 other person to test it and report his findings, I would appreciate it.
This is very easy to play.  No tracking just winning.

Even 3 sessions to 25 units would be a help.

Thanks,

George

[Fripper]

Hi George

I just played 2 sessions with your first rules, because I like it safe.
This one seems good to me, because if you are down in the hole (like 40 units) then random evens out. When the third dozen hits many times in a row, like in my graphs.

A bankroll with 1000 units would be very very safe, in my opinion.

Kind of long sessions, but on RNG that isn't a problem.
Forgot to add, I tested without zero. I can test with it if you want in the future.

+40 in 126 spins, (-32)
+41 in 264 spins, (-47)

[Fripper]

Tested again with zero now =)

+41 in 282 spins

You can clearly see when our beloved third dozen hits frequently  

I forgot to add:
When I have suffered a drawdown, and when I have started the climb up again. Sometimes I am betting with high units (like 4 or 5 units on each). Then I count some and see how much I need to bet. This way it gets even safer, you lower your bets when you comes near.

I also always reset to first step in progression when I'm in a new high or break even.

The highest bet I have had is 5 units on each (Low and middle dozen).

[Fripper]

Puhhh, this session was a brain-killer.

+40 in 452 spins, (-93), with zero.

This was some serious drawdowns.

The second dozen hitted many times at the end and even out.
1st dozen, 148 times
2nd dozen, 145 times
3rd dozen, 146 times

Highest bet this time was 8 units on each.

[GLC]

Tested again with zero now =)

+41 in 282 spins

You can clearly see when our beloved third dozen hits frequently  

I forgot to add:
When I have suffered a drawdown, and when I have started the climb up again. Sometimes I am betting with high units (like 4 or 5 units on each). Then I count some and see how much I need to bet. This way it gets even safer, you lower your bets when you comes near.

I also always reset to first step in progression when I'm in a new high or break even.

The highest bet I have had is 5 units on each (Low and middle dozen).

Dear Fripper,

Thank you so much for testing this.

The only thing you are doing different is I follow the last on the hi/lo.

Looking for streaks.

The one thing that can kill us is a series of 1 doz, 3 doz, 1 doz, 3 doz, 1doz, 3 doz, and of course sprinkled in a few zeros.

Follow the last or even penultimate makes it more stable.

Thanks again,

George

[Fripper]

Yes I agree, it's never good to bet one the same for to long, we have to be able to switch our bets. In that case betting on the last one or betting on penultimate is a good thing.

Do you mean follow the second last even chance? Because we are always betting on 2nd dozen, right?

This one is very good on a no-zero table.

[reincarnation]

Well, I have tried the alternating system for even chances...but again, results are not that bright either. You must be prepared to take the loss when there are streaks of alternating results.

[Fripper]

After my testing on a no-zero wheel this performs really good. Random evens out after several losses and you are back on track before you know it. That was without alternating bets.

[GLC]

After my testing on a no-zero wheel this performs really good. Random evens out after several losses and you are back on track before you know it. That was without alternating bets.

Fripper,

Yes follow the even chance.  Even on alternating e.c.s we don't always get killed because occassionally 1 of the six opposite e.c. numbers hits when the 2nd dozen hits.

If I have 3 losses in a row, I switch to betting opposite last e.c. in hopes the alternating continues.

Hey, nothing in roulette is perfect.

I have been having excellent results playing this simple little bet.

The fibo progression is pretty aggressive, but continues to win for me.  Losses recover quickly. 

If we have a lot of losses close together so as not to recover before another loss we will eventually hit  bottom.  Unavoidable unless we go with the 1111122222333334444455555 bet line.  With this bet line we don't recover a loss so quickly and can spend hundreds of spins trying to come out of a hole.

Pick your own playing style and have fun.


George

[Tomla021]

hi
anyone still doing this? i like it :))
thanks
tom

[GLC]

Hi
anyone still doing this? I like it )
thanks
tom

Tom,

Thanks for the interest.  I am very fond of this system.  I am no longer testing it, but it is in my arsenal of systems available for play if other systems aren't doing so well.

It can lose of course, but if you have a high enough bankroll, I usually use 200 units, it's a fairly long streak of wins between losses.  You could lose on the very first time you sit to play for real money, but not too likely.  Once you build up a few hundred units, you should be able to stay ahead of any losses.

Test thoroughly to be sure you know what to expect when you put real money on the line.

Why not post the results of some of your testings here for others to get a feel for the system.

Thanks again Tom,

George