Beating roulette with math..

[aleks06]

just tested session 7 with bayes rules i.e betting every spins on the same EC adding a zero every 2 losses when the stake is over 20units.


same as fripper i got very bad results

drawdown around -1300 / highest bet around 400

[Fripper]

Ok aleks, then it's not only me. We have to wait for Bayes to clarify this.

With 15 zero's and a one the bets is under 100 units even in these hard sessions and that's very good. I will continue to play with this but also test new ideas.

[Fripper]

For those interested, here's a 1000 spin session. With 15 zero's and a 1.

Profit is 165 units.
That is 165/1000= 0,165 units per spin.

In my sessions for real have I never been under 0.15 units per spin, usually it is more than 0.20 units per spin.

[attachthumb=#]

Highest bet was 44 units.

Anyone can do a test like this and then we can put together our results.

[sekuritati]

Guys, not to be disrespectful of your hard work, but I ignored this thread since I do not understand easily how to play the labby(do not worry I will learn it from the previous pages).

If in 10m spins the lowest for an EC in 200 spins was 65 appearances and you have devised a way to successfuly capitalize on that, this looks like a true holy grail, so I have a question:

Has anyone lost a session yet? And what is the absolutely maximum bet that has been made in the Bayes' horror sessions? Are they the absolutely worse that can be seen? I am asking this because if I decide to learn it I would have to play it with big units(more than 10 cents or a dollar) to prove the time I spend worthwile, and therefore I must see what kind of table limits this method can adhere to.


Another thing is, hypothetically would this method survive a 200 spin sequence where in the beginning on the chosen EC there are 30 losses, then 1 win, then 30 losses, then 1 win, then 30 losses, then 1 win, then 30 losses then 1 win, and then 16 losses, then 60 wins. Anyway, you get the point, if in the beggining of the 200 spins till 3/4 to the end there are only losses with the occasional win can this be survived?

[Fripper]

Guys, not to be disrespectful of your hard work, but I ignored this thread since I do not understand easily how to play the labby(do not worry I will learn it from the previous pages).

Well, I think your not the only one. It isn't easy to just read it and then play for real directly.
You have to read many times and also test for yourself until you have satisfied results and you feel comfortable with the bets.

If in 10m spins the lowest for an EC in 200 spins was 65 appearances and you have devised a way to successfuly capitalize on that, this looks like a true holy grail, so I have a question:

We have only tested the worst sessions in 700000 wiesbaden spins, that was provided by Bayes. It would be nice to test the worst sessions in millions of spins.
Well I think that 15 zero's and a 1 is the best so far and I have only tested session 7 that way. All the other is tested with 9 zero's and a one. There we had the highest bet around 150 units and with 15 zero's and a one we had like 80 units in one of the hardest sessions so..

Has anyone lost a session yet? And what is the absolutely maximum bet that has been made in the Bayes' horror sessions? Are they the absolutely worse that can be seen? I am asking this because if I decide to learn it I would have to play it with big units(more than 10 cents or a dollar) to prove the time I spend worthwile, and therefore I must see what kind of table limits this method can adhere to.

I don't think so, but that depends on what you mean with lost a session. In the testings we have lost session because we are indeed "testing", to find the best way to play.
I have played 40+ sessions for real and haven't lost yet.

We will have to wait to see if Bayes can find some harder sessions for us.
Ok, I would recommend a bankroll of 1000 units. 2000 units to be extra safe.
Haven't lost a session yet with 1000 units bankroll. You can see the biggest drawdowns in the thread.

Another thing is, hypothetically would this method survive a 200 spin sequence where in the beginning on the chosen EC there are 30 losses, then 1 win, then 30 losses, then 1 win, then 30 losses, then 1 win, then 30 losses then 1 win, and then 16 losses, then 60 wins. Anyway, you get the point, if in the beggining of the 200 spins till 3/4 to the end there are only losses with the occasional win can this be survived?

Yes, that would be no problems because we wait out any series longer than 4. You would have made a nice profit in the end.
But if you believe that you will get 3 wins in 100 spins then you better stop gambling right away 

The worst case scenario is: 4 loss, 1 win, 4 loss, 1 win, (or 6 loss, 1 win, 7 loss, 1 win, 4 loss, 1 win).
I think you get the point.

[Bayes]

We will have to wait to see if Bayes can find some harder sessions for us.

I'll be uploading the sequence analyzer later today in the math reference section. This can generate an endless supply of horror sessions, enough to keep anyone happy. 

I too, have found that you need a bank of about 1000 units, but would recommend 1500 - 2000 just in case. I'm going to add some code to the labby calculator which will save the results, when I've done that I'll post some sessions here so that you can see the way I'm playing. In fact I might start a sort of 'blog' in the testing section where I post my daily results from BV.

[Fripper]

Good news

We will be more than pleased I guess 
We love the hardest ones.

Yes I play with 2000 units because I consider it very safe. Havn't lost a 1000 unit bank yet but who knows?

I look forward to see how you play it bayes and also for the sequence analyzer.

[aleks06]

I've done my first session with real money on BV 

136 spins

79B
4 zéros
53R

bet on R

+7u profit


I hope to win many more sessions 

I'll keep posting my results.

[GLC]

I've done my first session with real money on BV 

136 spins

79B
4 zéros
53R

bet on R

+7u profit


I hope to win many more sessions  :LoL:

I'll keep posting my results.

[Tomla021]

pretty cool stuff

[Fripper]

Running total for real play:
+1581 units in 8257 spins
A total of 43 sessions.

That's 1581/8257 = +0,191 units/spin

[aleks06]

very nice fripper 

[trebor]

As a matter of interest Fripper, what was the highest bet placed in all those real spins
if you don't mind me asking.

Robert

[Fripper]

As a matter of interest Fripper, what was the highest bet placed in all those real spins
if you don't mind me asking.

Robert

I think the highest bet is around 100 units but that was when I played with 9 zero's and a one.
Now I'm using 15 zero's and a one so the bets will be lower.

I'm not sure about it because I have not written down all the highest bets in every session, only spins and profit.

[xDannyboi23x]

Hey fripper can you just confirm this for me please,
is this system played exactly the same as the cancellation system but with 15 0s and a 1?
cheers ,