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#### winkel

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 05, 12:49 PM 2013
Hello mr. Winkel, I have watched TCS's videos and have few questions about your method of playing GUT.
Do you record and bet on crossings like in TCS video, where he also bet on crossings between 2 and >2 and 3 and >3?
Yes
And do you use progression or recovery of any kind?
No progression, but sometimes a higher betsize

Because without those, it can easily happen that we end up with negative BR, like in those videos where TCS used flat betting.
You should read all my explanations where is told how to avoid losses, when to stop or to "jump"
So I tested about 30 cycles of 60 spins and observed few things. First is that it is much safer to bet only on crossings between 1 and >1, as GreatGrampa also observed in his version (but I haven't recorded for 2, >2, 3 and >3), where series of losses only once exceeded 5 streak (to 7). But in crossings between 0 and 1 it exceeded 10 times and more regularly. And that's for situations when spins are perfectly good and everything is in boundary's.
read above posts and you will find solution of this problem

So if we only bet on crossings between 1 and >1 and after 3 losses double flat bet on all numbers, all 30 cycles would result in positive balance. But I have only tested 30 cycles and will test more, and you have seen millions for sure. So I would also like for you to decide if I should give up on this theory.
Many decided not to play this, because they didn´t read, nor didn´t test, nor didn´t understand. Can´t help, when they don´t ask me but discuss with other using PM´s

Thank you in advance.
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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 05, 01:23 PM 2013
Things happen, and GUT is not 100% magical, the reason it do not work allways for mechanical players, we must see the situation and adopt, and then it works.

As you Herr Winkle (not Be no who I saw at Treatment 1949) has post a "Win as must you like" has been a failure sometimes, even by you, I read at a German forum, you stated BV as cheating, because it was impossible that method could lose.

We do never wrong, we have luck or not!
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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 05, 01:44 PM 2013
Thank you very much for reply.
May I ask, if you record also crossings between 2 and >2 and 3 and >3, to what spin do you record your game (mine is 60 spins)? Also when you complete one game, do you backtrack 20-30 spins, or do you start a new game?

And in your first example for "jump"
Some examples

spin ##   0    1    >1
20   18   23   10   4
21   20   22   11   4
22   35   21   12   4
23   34   20   13   4
24   26   20   12   5
25   26   20   12   5
26   17   19   13   5
27   4   18   14   5
28   25   17   15   5
29   28   16   16    5

at spin 29 we find a first crossing
at spin 25 we have 20 12 5 average would be 19/18 14/12 5/6 so we have 2 "0" slow
since spin 25 we have 4 "0" in a row but we expect til spin 37 only 6 "0"
so it is a risc to bet this crossing
Are you saying that it is best to bet ONLY when all 3 columns are in average and of course, when one of them isnt in a row?

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 06, 11:25 AM 2013

May I ask, if you record also crossings between 2 and >2 and 3 and >3,
YES

to what spin do you record your game (mine is 60 spins)?
until I´m in profit

Also when you complete one game, do you backtrack 20-30 spins, or do you start a new game?
or I stop! It is all a result of watching "what is going on!"

And in your first example for "jump"Are you saying that it is best to bet ONLY when all 3 columns are in average and of course,
No! I said, If I have to bet this situation I check if it is likely that my chance will appear. When I have to bet "0" and this had appeared several times in a row I say it is more likely that this trend will stop than to continue!

when one of them isnt in a row?

pls note that it is not ironclad. It is a situation to bet and you have to decide to bet or not to bet.

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#### blup_00

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 06, 04:53 PM 2013
Thank you professor.
I have recorded new cycles and looked only for ones that are in average and results are great compared to ones without tracking and betting on every trot that came. Also have noticed that in average spins where >1 regulary incresees we can bet on numbers that have shown 1 even when there is no crossing. But I need to test some more for that theory.
Oh, and is G.U.T. safe to play on RNG? Because all numbers for cycles where taken from my recordings on Titancasino's Roulette PRO RNG which is in my opinion the safest (compared to BV and partycasino).

#### winkel

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 10, 04:48 PM 2013

I have recorded new cycles and looked only for ones that are in average and results are great compared to ones without tracking and betting on every trot that came.

You didn´t already understand what means "Watch what is going on"

Also have noticed that in average spins where >1 regulary incresees we can bet on numbers that have shown 1 even when there is no crossing.

You will see: It works or it doesn´t work

But I need to test some more for that theory.
Oh, and is G.U.T. safe to play on RNG? Because all numbers for cycles where taken from my recordings on Titancasino's Roulette PRO RNG which is in my opinion the safest (compared to BV and partycasino).

as long as random ist true random it will work. But live-wheels can be biased also RNG may.
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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 10, 06:43 PM 2013
Welcome back Winkel

You say "Watch what is going on".  Could each
wheel have its own pattern when playing GUT?

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 10, 07:14 PM 2013
Welcome back Winkel

You say "Watch what is going on".  Could each
wheel have its own pattern when playing GUT?

No!

The randomness has its pattern!

Again:
There are streaks where you win
There are streaks where you lose
There are streaks where you end up Zero

So register your own streaks as explained in a post on page one. Then follow the probability of winning again after 6 wins or losing again after 6 losses or winning/losing in alternating streaks.

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#### blup_00

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 11, 05:42 PM 2013
So register your own streaks as explained in a post on page one. Then follow the probability of winning again after 6 wins or losing again after 6 losses or winning/losing in alternating streaks.
Can you tell us what are the average numbers that should shown from your register?
You have told us for columns 0,1 and >1 on mile-stones 25 and 37.
But can you tell us also for 2,>2 and more?

#### winkel

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 12, 12:21 PM 2013
If you can read these informations:

picture 380 and 381 at spin 25
picture 382, 383 and 384 at spin 37

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#### blup_00

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 12, 04:26 PM 2013
If you can read these informations:

picture 380 and 381 at spin 25
picture 382, 383 and 384 at spin 37

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Wow, thank you for those information's.
Are those all possible combinations that could occur on spins 25 and 37 and Summe tells us how many times has it shown?
And if yes, do you possibly have something similar for spin 50 or 60?

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 13, 07:49 AM 2013

Are those all possible combinations that could occur on spins 25 and 37

NO

and Summe tells us how many times has it shown?

YES

And if yes, do you possibly have something similar for spin 50 or 60?

I have all possible combinations from spin 25 to spin 50

You did only ask for the averages. I gave for spin 25 18-14-5 and sigma+1 (17 .. ..) and sigma-1 (19 .. ..) accordingly at spin 37 14-13-10 + 13-14-10 etc.
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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 14, 04:58 PM 2013
You did only ask for the averages. I gave for spin 25 18-14-5 and sigma+1 (17 .. ..) and sigma-1 (19 .. ..) accordingly at spin 37 14-13-10 + 13-14-10 etc.
Thank you, I dont know how did you get so many data, but it is very helpful
Do you use any other method simultaneously while playing G.U.T.?

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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 16, 04:16 PM 2013
Do you use any other method simultaneously while playing G.U.T.?

why should I?

As I explained before this G.U.T is just a part to excercise "what is going on" if you are able to read the "tell tale spins" you can bet some spins and collect about 200 to 300 unit per trot.
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##### Re: G.U.T-Extensions
Jun 16, 04:27 PM 2013
why should I?

As I explained before this G.U.T is just a part to excercise "what is going on" if you are able to read the "tell tale spins" you can bet some spins and collect about 200 to 300 unit per trot.
Yes that is true, but it takes many many weeks of testing to be able to read trots.
Does it ever happen to you now, that you end with negative balance and have to stop or jump a trot?