"I been scammed big time" A message that all members should read.

[ThomasGrant]

 

Please everyone...

READ THE following...

Name of the person who sent me this. I have kept private.

Hi There,

My name is A-----. I found your web site to be very helpful. Great work !

I am writing to you because, I been scammed big time. I want others to know so it doesn't happen to them. I am not sure what I can do about it Now. I was on the internet reading reviews on roulette systems/software. I found this review link:://roulettesystemreview.blogspot.com/ it was very impressive to me. I do realize that am gullible now and a sucker for believing it. On this web page he can't share where he got the software, you have to e-mail him So I did. This is the e-mail I got a few days later.
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"Hi,
This roulette system is AWESOME but this is not my system I bought it.
If you contact the owner of this roulette system he will make a LIVE Real Time demonstration for you. You need to download and install a software program in order to contact the owner and get more info about this system.
The website is :.your-casino-winnings.info
After watching the demonstration, it is not guaranteed that he will accept you to participate in this project because he has some kind of location limit. So I'm very happy that due to this system I got rid of my debts.
Actually you can make tens of thousands in just one month if you play at more casinos. Anyway you will find out everything from the system's owner as I'm not allowed to release that info.
I know that you will thank me later as I thanked my friend for telling me about this roulette system.
Cheers,
Alex"

I then went to this web site :.your-casino-winnings.info. I starting talking live with Ethan who made this software. You have to dl a chat software.  Ethan showed me a live demonstration of his software. I went to a casino he asked me to go to and it was in play mode. The betting system was on 1st 12, 2d 12, 3rd 12. He said let it spin 12 times and tell me the numbers. I did as he asked. Then he told me to make a bet. Almost every bet won! I was so impressive.

Ethan then told me that this was a project and only a few people would get his system. He had no one from my area, so I could get the software. But I was only allowed to use it to I made $50,000. I would have to sent him payments every 2-3 weeks though liberty. He would all together $20,000 and I would get all together $50,000 then the partnership would end. I would have to sent him screen shots of my progress with the software. Everything seem very believable. I was very excited. My family really need a new car ours is falling apart. The software was $3,000 altogether. You had to pay $1000 first and sign partner agreement. Then once you starting winning you had to pay the other $2000. He said since I seem very eager, he could lower the payment from $1000 to $500. I was very happy, I could make it happen in two days. He helped me with how to make the payment with link:://:.libertyreserve.com/. As Soon as I made the payment he said you be getting a e-mail in 20 mins. I need to prepped the software and choose the casino I want you to start with first. I waited. It disconnect on me. I most have talked with him maybe 5 times and that never happen. I started to get worried.
I got the e-mail.

ââ,¬Å" Hi A-----,
My name is John. Iââ,¬â,,¢m working with Ethan on this project. From now on you will discuss with me as I am responsible for real money play. The live help is available just for new members.
Firstly, thank you for joining our project. Youââ,¬â,,¢ll play at Centrebet casino.
So, below are the quick instructions.

You get a software that you need to download and install on your pc. Firstly uninstall the software you have right now. Here is the download link
link:://:.your-casino-winnings.info/download/SetupYourCasinoWinningsFV.exe
You will bet on dozens. The software will always tell you the dozens you must bet. To make more easier for the player the software takes care about the losing bets you need to have. Your game must look as a normal game with winning and losing bets, but youââ,¬â,,¢ll be in profit at the end of them game. So if you have some losing bets do not worry, because it is normal.

As a betting system you will use the Martingale System. The casino knows that the player usually loses the money in the long run, when playing with this betting system. Thatââ,¬â,,¢s why it is usually considered that the player is lucky if he/ she wins. We found this to be the best camouflage of casino.
If you used Martingale system before you know that after each losing bet you need to double your next bet.
Since you bet on dozens you need to triple your next bet.
For example:
1. You bet $1 on dozens 1 and 2. The ball lands on a number from Dozen 1. You win.
2. You bet $1 on dozens 2 and 3. Dozen 1. You lose.
3. You bet $3 on dozens 2 and 3. Dozen 2. You win.
4. You bet $1 on dozens 2 and 3. Dozen 1. You lose.
5. You bet $3 on dozens 2 and 3. Dozen 1. You lose.
6. You bet $9 on dozens 2 and 3. Dozen 2. You win.
You will have maximum 2 consecutive losing bets. You should choose the starting bet according to your bankroll. If you have a low bankroll you must start playing with $1 until your balance will grow.
Itââ,¬â,,¢s very easy to use the software. Here are the steps:
1. Make 12 spins with no bets.
2. Press the ââ,¬Å"Get the Numbers and Process themââ,¬Â button.
3. Now the software will tell you on what dozen you must bet.
4. You make the bets and spin.
5. Press ââ,¬Å"Next Dozensââ,¬Â button and so on.
Requirements:
1. Do not play in ââ,¬Å"Fastââ,¬Â play mode.
2. You MUST win no more than 600 units per day.
3. You must play no more than 1 hour per day. During this hour you must make pauses of 10-15 min.
If you have any questions please let me know.
Best regards,
Johnââ,¬Â

This software link was the same link the chat program was before it got disconnect.
I dl the software and it would not work. I could not put any numbers into it or anything. I wrote john 10 times no response. This all happen from Jan 20- Jan 24 2011. I even went back a number of times to see if I could get Ethan ask him what going on? Nope I only could dl the software. Ones He got his payment live chat was gone. Of course he didnââ,¬â,,¢t tell me this would happen to after I paid him. I thought I would be able to chat with him live when every I had a question. I still have not hear anything back. On Jan24 I asked a friend of mind help me and go to the web site :.your-casino-winnings.info let him know am having problems with the software and two days have been wasted and John not getting back to me by e-mail. He got into the chat but as soon as he told him A----- needs help. He closed down the chat room and him 3 times he tried. I then went back to re dl the software and read very carefully the user agreement and regular me. It said the this was freeware and can not be sold or re sell. I knew at this time if there was any doubt. I was trying my best to be helpful but I knew then I got ripped off $500 scammed big time.

Thank you for your time in reading this and sorry for my grammar/spelling. If you need me to clear anything up just let me know. If you know of anyway to help me get those guys from scamming off other people or how to get my money back that would be great. I know thatââ,¬â,,¢s a fat chance of ever seeing my money again but I have to try.
Please get back to me soon.
Thanks
A-----

[ThomasGrant]

Now for some details.
I have spoken to A-----
So she is a real person.

Onto to the post...

When I got the email.
It sounded very familiar.

Hang on...
I have done this as well.
Ages ago.

The person would do a live chat with you.
Show you how his software wins.
But, it would win against PlayTech RNG in fun mode.
Not in real mode.
I know this, because the person I was doing this with.
He and I, tried to use real spin data from a PlayTech Roulette Table in Real Rng mode.
The person on the other side could tell that we were using real spins.
I don't know how he could tell.
But he knew.
Communication with the man was difficult.
Support is even worse.
Once we had paid the money.
And believe me.
That is ridiculously hard to do.
You have to go through Liberty Reserve.
And if you got to get an account with them.
And go through no end of trouble.

So many RED flags on this deal.

Just be careful out there.

If you see something like this.
Or get tempted by promises.
And false advertising.

Then take heart.
Your not the only one.

Just stay the Frak away from these things.
Run...
Just run...
Don't get fooled.

A fool and their money.
Are easily departed.

[chrisbis]

The license Agreement U "Sign", from the download at this site mentioned.

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[reveal=License]License Agreement

NOTICE TO USERS: CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING LEGAL AGREEMENT. USE OF THE SOFTWARE PROVIDED WITH THIS AGREEMENT (THE "SOFTWARE") CONSTITUTES YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TERMS. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, DO NOT INSTALL AND/OR USE THIS SOFTWARE.

The SOFTWARE is owned and copyrighted by Your Casino Winnings. This is a FREEWARE product and it is provided free of charge.

Anyone may use this Freeware Software as long as he/she wants.

The SOFTWARE may be FREELY distributed, provided the distribution package is not modified. No person or company may charge a fee for the distribution of THE SOFTWARE without written permission from the copyright holder.

You may not use, copy, emulate, clone, rent, lease, sell, modify, decompile, disassemble, otherwise reverse engineer, or transfer the licensed program, or any subset of the licensed program, except as provided for in this agreement. Any such unauthorized use shall result in immediate and automatic termination of this license.

Any illegal use of our software will be solely your responsibility. Accordingly, you affirm that you have the legal right to access all data, information and files that have been hidden.

This software is provided 'as-is', without any express or implied warranty. In no event will the authors be held liable for any damages arising from the use of this software.

User information (name, e-mail etc.) is considered confidential and will not be shared, distributed, or sold to any third party without prior written permission.

In the event of invalidity of any provision of this license, the parties agree that such invalidity shall not affect the validity of the remaining portions of this license.

All rights not expressly granted here are reserved to Your Casino Winnings as distributor and copyright holder.
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[chrisbis]

The Program Downloader

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The Registration Page after downloading the Software. Not, this is "Freeware".

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The Desktop link on my desktop, after loading

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This is what U get back after registration:-

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Guess what, he's not on-line!!!! Shame. I have two barrells for him.

I'll try and get 'A' her money back.

PM me here surname Tom.

Opps, Ethan is on line now!!!

Lets see eh!!

[ThomasGrant]

Chris....

GET OUT While you still can.

Don't waste your time with this dude.

He will do more than just pull your leg.
He will pull other body parts.

SCAM with BIG RED FLAGS....

BE warned people.

[chrisbis]

Thanx Tom.

I'm a big lad now..
Wanted to see what is was all about any see if I could find out who they were, and try and Lever the dosh back to 'A'.

Worry not buddie, no money was every leaving my moth ridden wallet, E, or C wise!!

He's there email support address.

For info purposes only. [reveal=email]support@your-casino-winnings.info[/reveal]


And if the owner, administrator, Ethan, John or anyone else connected with
CasinoWinnings is reading this message, and all the previous one's................

please give 'A' her 500 back.....................life is too short to scam people.

[ThomasGrant]

Thanks Tom.

I'm a big lad now..
Wanted to see what is was all about any see if I could find out who they were, and try and Lever the dosh back to 'A'.

Worry not buddie, no money was every leaving my moth ridden wallet, E, or C wise!!

He's there email support address.

For info purposes only. [reveal=email]support@your-casino-winnings.info[/reveal]


And if the owner, administrator, Ethan, John or anyone else connected with
CasinoWinnings is reading this message, and all the previous one's................

please give 'A' her 500 back.....................life is too short to scam people.

He wont...
He never gave my money back.

[chrisbis]

He wont...
He never gave my money back.

U lost to this same guy then Tom!?!?!?

[esoito]

Thomas...and you as well? I can't believe it...!! 

[ThomasGrant]

U lost to this same guy then Tom!?!?!?

Thomas...and you as well? I can't believe it...!!

Yes...
A long while ago.
I had this friend in America.
We got together and looked into things that dealt with Roulette.
He came to this site that claimed you could win.
Same deal as the one you see on that links.
You have to download this software.
You can use RNG fun mode.
He tell you what to bet on.
It nearly always wins.
If not on the first bet then the second.
So, we got a Liberty reserve account.
Well, I got a Liberty reserve account.
Since I am the front man.
The one with the money.
The one with the cred to open accounts anywhere.
So we eventually get money into Liberty Reserve.
And pay him.
After that.
Zero communication.
Money gone.
Money in casino gone.
Lesson learned.
Move on.

Next...

One think in life I learned.
Well sort of learned.
Is take care of your own stuff.

Probably one of the reason why I like to write so much.
Got me thinking about doing a book.
A real book.

Roulette...
What a game...

[esoito]

Life can be a harsh (and expensive) teacher sometimes, can't it? 

Anyway, sounds like you've recovered well and moved on. 

And I'll bet you'll never be scammed again!!

[ThomasGrant]

Email from someone I know.

Is this mail that I have received before download and so on  ââ,¬Â¦.



De: Luke ----
Enviada: terça-feira, 8 de Fevereiro de 2011 12:41
Para: Vi-----
Assunto: Re: Roulette system



Hi V----,



This roulette system is AWESOME but this is not my system I bought it.



If you contact the owner of this roulette system he will make a LIVE Real Time demonstration for you. You need to download and install a software program in order to contact the owner and get more info about this system.



The website is :.big-casino-win.info



After watching the demonstration, it is not guaranteed that he will accept you to participate in this project because he has some kind of location limit. So I'm very happy that due to this system I got rid of my debts.



Actually you can make tens of thousands in just one month if you play at more casinos. Anyway you will find out everything from the system's owner as I'm not allowed to release that info.



I know that you will thank me later as I thanked my friend for telling me about this roulette system.



Cheers,

Luke



On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Virgilio Dinis <virgiliodinis@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Luck,

Can you explain me what the system is?

Thanks and good Luck.



V-----

[ThomasGrant]

Part 2.

Hello Thomas,

What you think about this?





V----- : 23

Ethan : ok bet on 3rd dozne

V----- : 33

Ethan : should I give you more dozens? or do you want to find out more info about it?

Ethan : this system is really working as you can see

V----- : give me more info, please

Ethan : ok V----- i'm going to give you access to More info, FAQ. please read them carefully and after this I'll tell you more about this project

V----- : ok

V----- : Can you give the full systen (to test) for 1 day?

Ethan : let me tell you more about this project and then I'll answer to all your questions

Ethan : firstly I want to tell you that I have a region limit (by ip), region can be 2-3 cities for example

Ethan : I have a free place in your region that's why you can talk with me

Ethan : everyone from your region can talk with me until someone pay the first payment of $1,000 and join this project

Ethan : V----- with this project you'll make a total profit of 50,000

Ethan : after this the partnership ends

Ethan : I have this limit to give the chance to more people to make money with this system and

Ethan : not to look suspicious to online casinos that the same people are always winning

Ethan : so you'll make about 70,000 and about 20,000 you'll give me and 50,000 is your profit

Ethan : only after this we end this partnership and you won't be able to use my system anymore

V----- : I don't understand. I need to test myself this system.

Ethan : after you get my system you'll receive also full instructions on how to play, like how much to bet, how much to play and so on. I have experience and share it with my partners, because this is a win win partnership

[ThomasGrant]

Ethan : so you'll make about 70,000 and about 20,000 you'll give me and 50,000 is your profit

Ohh my gosh....

If there was ever a person or site we should out right ban...
Is this one.

link:://:.big-casino-win.info/

[ThomasGrant]

Ohh my gosh....

If there was ever a person or site we should out right ban...
Is this one.

link:://:.big-casino-win.info/

The cheeky bugger has two sites.
link:://:.your-casino-winnings.info/
And
link:://:.big-casino-win.info/

Just the tile is different.