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I have been studying this system off and on for about a year now.  It is written in English which is obviously not the author's native language.  He does a pretty good job, but there are still a lot of points that are a little hard to get a handle on.

I think that I have finally understood how to play his ultimate method with the 3 recovery banks and initial tests are showing a win each time.   I don't have the exact method of distributing losses between the banks yet, but that's just a matter of taking more time.

My question is, "Does anyone know anything about this system?"  The authors tend to think it's the definitive system for Even Chances and it does seem to stay steady and keep our bank requirements down and yet net wins.  My wins in testing so far have been rather small for the amount of playing you have to do, but consistency is the name of the game.

I'm open to any input.

Thanks,

George
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Google's only mention was your post on this forum.

Is it worth sharing with us? Then you'll get some feedback!


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Georgey- Short-bread.

I have I missed something here, or are you about to post up names, play system, style?

I read, but there's no bet, no MM, no design?

Enlighten please.

Oh ..................and can you put the kettle on for a brew to go with these Crisy-Biscuits...... Tar.

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Okay guys,  I wasn't baiting you, I was looking for input from you.  This system has been around for a long time and I thought some of you might be familiar with it.  If not, I can understand why.

It is a very difficult system to learn.  And as you will see, the author's presentation is not at all clear in many places.  Here is a link to the system.  Please read and I'll begin posting what I think he is trying to tell us to the best of my understanding.

http://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/very-near-the-infallible-method/msg5228/#msg5228

Good luck and I'll be back as soon as I have time.

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For those of you who don't want to read the whole system, and it is a little long, here's a summary of it.

It's morphed out of the Garcia system.  In the Garcia system you wait until you have 2 in a row of the same color.  You then bet for a change of color for up to the next 3 spins.  Our progression is 1-3-7 or the 1st 3 steps of the grand martingale.  Once we lose this 3 step progression, we will have 11 units to recover.  We will have 5 of the same color in a row at this time.  We divide the amount lost by 3 and try to recover it by betting that the color will continue to streak for another 3 spins.

So, if you have a large enough bank, and can stay playing until you have 8 in a row of a color, you will have recovered all of your losses and be ahead of the game.

The authors have changed this quite a bit because they didn't like the odds of being able to hang in there until the next time 8 in a row came around because it could be a very, very long wait.

The major changes they have made is that instead of 1-3-7 they have changed this to 1-1-1.  Instead of having the losses divided into 3 banks of 1 each, they have divided them into 3 banks but each bank is dividing into sub-categories.  Bank 1 is divided into 3.  Bank 2 & 3 are divided into 2 each.  So that's 7 sub-categories to divide our losses into.  By using 7 instead of 3 it prevents our recovery bet sizes from increasing too quickly.

Also, instead of playing for a color to streak to 8 times before we are fully recovered, they have us betting some of the banks on chops and some on streaks.

We can think of the system as being played by 3 different people.  The 1st person plays for a color streak of 2 in a row to chop on the 3rd spin.  If he wins, that unit goes into profits.  If he loses, that unit goes into the 1st subcategory in recovery bank #1.

If there isn't a chop on the 3rd spin, the 2nd player bets 1 unit that there will be a chop on the 4th spin.  If there is, he puts that unit in profits.  If the streak continues, it means he lost and the lost unit will go into recovery bank #2 subcategory 1.

If the streak continues to 4, the 3rd player bets 1 unit that there will be a chop on the 5th spin.  If there is, he puts that unit in profits.  If the streak continues, it means he lost and the lost unit will go into recovery bank #3 subcategory 1.

Once we get to 5 in a row of a color, we stop betting and wait for a break in that color and a new 2 in a row to form.  Then we start over.

Once the game gets rolling and each recovery bank gets more and more chips, they are divided equally between each subcategory.  If the recovery banks start getting too large and unbalanced, they can share recovery units between them.  Everything is done to keep the bets as low as possible.

At times, each player will be making a bet on the next spin.  1 player for the break in the original streak and the other players for recovery of already lost units.  Some bets will be opposing and will need to be bet differentially.

You can play until all recovery banks are empty or until your profits reach a certain level.

As you can see from this summary there are a lot of rules.  The way I am trying it is to simplify it and only play for player #1.  That way I can learn all the different bets he has to make to recover his losses.  I'm thinking that if it works when all three players play together, it should work if only 1 of them play.  I'll learn each player's bets separately and then I'll play the 1st 2 players together until I can do that smoothly.  Then I'll play the 2nd and 3rd players together until I can do them smoothly and finally I'll put them all together until I can do all three smoothly.

And who decided that only 3 players can play at a time?  Why not 4,5 or 6 or even more?  Oh well, that's probably too complicated to be realistic.

Although, the only advantage I see to playing 3 instead of 1 player is so they can share recovery units if they get too large.

I'm thinking of starting out with 1 player and if his recovery bank gets too large, then I can bring in the 2nd player also and split the recovery units between 5 bets and if those get too large, I can bring in the 3rd player and split into 7 bets.

I know.  I'm going crazy again.  It's my ADD kicking in.  Causes my mind to sniff out every nook and cranny.

More later if anyone's still interested.

I was just hoping that since the system has been out there for a while, maybe someone already had experience with it or knew someone who has and could give us a prognosis.

More than likely, nobody has ever taken the time and effort to learn the system to give it a fair shot.

And once again, I like the fact that if it wins, it can be played on baccarat and craps also.  Heck, you could even play against a friend flipping a coin.  Any even chance bet will work.

George
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Thanks for offering the link.

After a quick flick through the document I knew I'd probably get more sense out of your summary!

Good of you to take the trouble to put that together for us.  :thumbsup:




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Okay,  Here's player #1's play.

The #1 player only plays for a break of 2 in a row of a color.  Example:  we have RR and we bet 1 unit for RRB. If he wins, his 1 unit bet goes directly into profits.

If he loses he will have gotten RRR and his 1 unit loss goes into his 1-1 recovery bank.  If this happens multiple times, and it will happen every time an RR goes to RRR instead of RRB player #1s recovery banks of 1-1; 1-2 and 1-3 will all have units in them to be recovered.  He will keep these sub-categories as balanced as possible with the larger units in 1 & 2.  In other words if there are 10 recovery units they would be apportioned 1-1=4; 1-2=3; 1-3=3.

We can only bet to recover the units in bank 1-1 when we have RRB.  At this time we will bet the units in recovery bank 1 sub-category 1 for another chop to occur.  That is for RRBR to develop.

If we win the recovery bet for 1-1 we will have RRBR and we will bet recovery bank 1-2's units for another chop to spin.  In other words we will be betting for RRBRB to form.  If we win this bet, we will stop betting and wait for another RR or BB to develop.

We will try to recover the units in bank 1-3 whenever we have RRBB formed.  At this time we will have lost the recovery bet for 1-1 which was betting for RRB to become RRBR instead it became RRBB.  At this time we will bet the units in bank 1 sub-category 3 for a chop to form or for RRBB to become RRBBR.  If we lose and it becomes RRBBB, we stop betting and wait for a change in color and a new 2 colors in a row to form.

Of course, anytime we lose a recovery bet, the lost units will be divided as equally as possible between the 3 sub-banks in our #1 recovery bank.

Example:

Red
Black   No bet
Red     No bet
Red     Bet 1 unit for the next spin to be Black
Black   Win +1  goes to profits
Black   Bet 1 unit for the next spin to be Red
Black   Lose -1 unit.  Put loss in Bank 1-1
Red     No bet
Red     Bet 1 unit for the next spin to be Black
Red     Lose -1 unit.  Put loss in Bank 1-2
Black   No bet
Black   Bet 1 unit for the next spin to be Red
Black   Lose -1 unit.  Put loss in Bank 1-3
Red     No bet
Red     Bet 1 unit for the next spin to be Black
Black   Win +1 goes to profits.  For next spin bet 1 unit from bank 1-1 on Red
Black   Lose -1 unit.  Put loss in Bank 1-1.  Bet 1 unit for break of streak and 1 unit from bank 1-3.
Red     Win +1 unit goes to profits. 1 unit recovered from bank 1-3. Bet 2 units on Black from bank 1-1.
Black   Win +2 unit recovered from bank 1-1.  Bet 1 unit from recovery bank 1-2 on Red
Red     Win +1 unit recovered from bank 1-2

Because we won 3 units betting for a 2 in a row color to break and all losses were recovered, we are at +3 for this small series.  As you can see, every unit won playing for the 1st break of a streak goes directly into profits.  All losses go into our recovery banks and will be recovered unit for unit.

The safest way to play this is to reset after reaching +1 over-all rather than try to recover all units in our recovery banks.

Be patient with me.  I'm not that much further down the road to understanding this thing than you are.  If make a mistake, point it out and we'll learn together.

Please ask any questions since I'm not always that clear in my explanations.

This idea of presenting each player separately was a stroke of genius because it's really going to make learning this system much easier.  Who was that masked man any way?

Like I said, if all three win when put together, this one should win when played by itself.  We'll see.

Player #2 coming soon.  2 & 3 are easier because they only have 2 subs in their banks.

Please read these explanations 2 or 3 times and try a few spins to get a good feel for how to play them.

Thanks,

George



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Player #2.

Player #2 Waits until there are 3 in a row of a color before he bets for a chop.  In other words, when RRR spins he bets 1 unit that the next spin will be Black.  If he wins, that unit goes into profits.  If he loses, he waits for the next 3 in a row of a color to bet again for a chop.  Anytime he wins when betting for a 3 in a row to change color, those are the only units that go into profits.

Player #2's recovery bank only has 2 sub-categories designated as 2-1 and 2-2.

After player #2 has played for a while, he will have units in both banks 2-1 and 2-2.  He bets to recover these lost units at exact times.

When a RRBB sequence developes he will bet the units from recovery bank 2-1 for a Black to spin.  In other words he will bet for RRBBB.

If RRBBB does not form, but instead RRBBR forms, he will have lost that recovery bet and the lost units will be divided up between the 2 banks.  Since he lost that recovery bet attempt, he will have RRBBR and he will stop betting.  If he has RRBBB he will bet 1 unit for the break in the 3 in a row and he will bet recovery bank 2-2 also for the break of 3 in a row.

This is pretty straight forward, but if we are playing both player #1 and #2 at the same time, you can see how it could get a little confusing.  And to add player #3 will take some real concentration.  I think it's maybe only feasible on an on-line live dealer table.

Example:

B
B     No bet
B     Bet 1 unit for Red, 3 in a row to break (Also if there are any recovery units in 2-2 we bet them for the chop also.)
R     Win +1 unit into profits and recover any units in bank 2-2. No bet for next spin.
R     Bet recovery bet 2-1 for Red to continue.
R     Recovery bet 2-1 wins. Bet +1 for 3 in a row to chop and the units in recovery bet 2-2 for chop also.
B     Both bets win.  At this point player #2 will have cleared all recovery units and be + profits.

A simple example.  Short and sweet.

Remember, player #2 only plays when there is 3 in a row and when BBRR forms.  When we have BBRR we play for Red to continue which will recover the units in bank 2-1. 

When we have 3 in a row our next bet is for the break of color which will result in +1 to profits on a win and also the recovery of units in bank 2-2 if there are any.

BBRR bet recovery bet 2-1 for BBRRR to form.
BBRRR bet for chop to win and chop for recovery bet 2-2, that is BBRRRB.

That's it for player #2.

#3 on it's way.

George
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Player #3

RRRR or BBBB These are the 4 in a row results that bring player #3 into the game.  Player #3 will be playing 1 unit for the break of 4 in a row.  Any wins go directly into profits.

Once the game is well under way, there will be recovery units in both #3 banks, 3-1 and 3-2.

The recovery of bank 3-1 happens when we have  BBRRR.  We will be betting for a continuation of the 3 in a row to 4 in a row or for BBRRR to become BBRRRR.

If we have BBRRRR we bet recovery bank 3-2 for a chop.  In other words we have BBRRRR and we are betting for BBRRRRB to form.

Example:

B
B
B
B     We bet 1 unit that 4 in a row will break (if there were recovery units in bank 3-2 we would bet them also).
R     Win.  +1 goes directly into profits.  No bets for next spin.
R     No bets
R     Bet recovery of bank 3-1 for 3 in a row to continue to 4 in a row
R     Bet wins.  Bet 1 unit for 4 in a row to break.
B     Bet wins.  +1 goes into profits.

I know that these are presented in rapid fire, but if you study the posts, assuming I haven't made any mistakes, you will be able to understand and play all 3 players separately.

I suggest that we test player #1 until we know exactly how to play it and can get a feel for how it performs.

Then we can attack player #2 and then player #3.

Eventually we can put them all together.

We may discover that it's too complicated to learn and play to be realistic.  I'm thinking that if it works, we can find a way to play it.  Maybe we'll have to form teams and each person play a different player's bets.  Maybe 2 people can do this.

It should be doable at home on the internet.

Finally, maybe some ambitious programmer can come to the rescue with a program that will speed things up a lot.

Cheers,

George
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Dear George,
              this method should be renmed as very near fallible method. It has no merit.

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In my next post I'll try to put together a longer series of hand picked spins that will incorporate all of the bets of the individual players so we can start testing it to see how it performs.

The system will need to perform well on player 1 or I doubt that it will retain our interest long enough to finally be able to put all three together for some real testing.

We'll see.

I am not an expert on this system.  I don't even know for absolute certainty that I have understood everything exactly.  I think I have but am not sure.  I know that some of you will be able to contribute as much or more than I can and will find and help us correct any mistakes.

It will mean having to read pages 44-48 of the link which talks about the different bets.

The author has some pretty strict rules for dividing up the recovery units among the 3 banks of each player and later we can focus on them when we start putting it all together.

For now the over-riding priciple of keeping the recovery banks in equilibrim should be adequate.

George
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Dear George,
              this method should be renmed as very near fallible method. It has no merit.


Dear Albalaha,

I appreciate your assessment.  Can you please share with us your how you have come to your conclusions? 

If in fact you are correct, and can convince us of this fact, it will save us a lot of time and effort.

Like I said in the beginning.  I would like any input from anyone who has knowlege about this system since I have only been able to struggle through a few hundred spins and even though it did okay, a few hundred spins is meaningless.

Thanks,

George
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Dear George,
              this method should be renmed as very near fallible method. It has no merit.


Not saying you're wrong...but precisely how did you arrive at this conclusion?

Testing? Gut feeling? Reading tea leaves? Or...?

Such revelations from a "professional" could save a lot of time.

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Hey Esoito,
          I had this method way back and used and tested it but can't get a regular profit like all other so called systems. Not at all workable. Any doubts?

esoito

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Hey Esoito,
          I had this method way back and used and tested it but can't get a regular profit like all other so called systems. Not at all workable. Any doubts?


Ah. Thanks for that info.

No doubts, as it's been tried and tested 'in the field' so to speak, and found wanting.  :thumbsup:

 

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