DS4

[amk]

I love creating methods for roulette to help keep the game evolving. I wanted to post a new double street method combined with PATTERN 4 playing style....  It is just an experiment and would like to receive your feedback as to its potential and how to possibly make it better....

Method:

Following classical PATTERN 4 play we note down 3 groups of 3 wide double street numbers..

example    "2",5,4    group 1  "first number"
                  3,5,1    
                  1,6,3
                  ..      first number

We are NOT betting that the fourth pattern is different from the first but only that the first number of the fourth group is different from the first number of group 1...

Our first bet is 2 units on two dozens and 1 unit on one double street leaving only one double street open this ofcourse being the first number of group 1...  a 5 unit bet... a win is +1 unit...

In 1023 live Spielbank spins 326 games were won on the first bet and there where 50 loses = +76 units, HOWEVER there were only 6 double loses when played consecutively.....

If we chose to play a HIT AND RUN session played consecutively for a 5 unit gain we can counter a loss with a level 2 progression, 6 on the double street, 12/12 on the dozens.

A double loss would be -40 units...

I wanted to present this method to see if we can forge it into a good winning method, and to see if I made any errors ....

Look forward to your feedback......

[amk]

From the 1023 live spins/326 games there was only one game in which the fourth group completely matched the first group............

If we can work on a good method to create a reasonable betting style to counter this rare occurrence we have ourselves a good method......

[amk]

If you were to play betting that the fourth pattern is different from the first pattern as PATTERN 4 the progression would be as such, if my math is correct....

Double Street     Dozens
       1                     2/2
       6                   12/12
      36                 72/72

Total units -215....

Very high betting,  however....  what can HIT AND RUN achieve?

[amk]

JohnLegend,

Cool thing, I just noticed you had 1023 posts, same as tested Spielbank spins for DS4....

What's your evaluation.....

[Halba1]

good addition, but i think the 215 unit exposure is a bit too much.

[LuckyLucy]

From the 1023 live spins/326 games there was only one game in which the fourth group completely matched the first group............

If we can work on a good method to create a reasonable betting style to counter this rare occurrence we have ourselves a good method......

I like this approach AMK, ive been thinking about something similair. Its great that a few of us are now looking into this way of attacking random.  Hopefully something good will come of this!

Thinking positive

lucy

[Rackermann]

Hi there - Only my second post on here and I love playing the D/streets - been using Pattern 4 in a similar way and been very successful with it - I only use a very conservative Progression though.  I try for the win on the first spin only and take my loss or rather increase my units on the next line that I bet against the previous pattern

Continuous play have hurt me live and RNG though, so hit and run is my only way I prefer playing it!

Love reading everybody's views and comments on here :)

[Halba1]

Hi there - Only my second post on here and I love playing the D/streets - been using Pattern 4 in a similar way and been very successful with it - I only use a very conservative Progression though.  I try for the win on the first spin only and take my loss or rather increase my units on the next line that I bet against the previous pattern

Continuous play have hurt me live and RNG though, so hit and run is my only way I prefer playing it!

Love reading everybody's views and comments on here

hi. any reason you prefer the non-zero wheel. the max. table limits aren't very good.

[amk]

Hello Rackermann and Halba1,

Rackermann, could you describe your method of play in the fashion I described DS4....

And post any spin data you have....

Thanks!

[Halba1]

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Hi there,

Thanks for your message - Love Australia, especially their sports teams which are very competitive

I am from South Africa where we love our Rugby and cricket!

I play simple straight-forward strategies on BV - I love betting my D/streets and S/streets.  I will play it for short session and follow the most recent Double or single streets that hit.  The No-Zero makes this a safer bet for me.  I get a feel for the software in a way and manage to win the majority of my bets - when a loss occurs, which does happen now and then, I DO NOT CHASE it - I use to, but so many times I chase that loss, I only lose more.  I can easily win back 2 Euro's, compared to 10 euro's, if you know what I mean?

In between I use the Pattern Breaker and Code4 strategies with a very conservative progression.  BUT, I have divided my table into 2 different EC bets - I call it A & B, where A = D/street 1,3,5  and  B = D/street 2,4,6. . .

Same applies then as if you would play H/L or O/E - I track 12 spins and then bet against the pattern of the first line, e. g.

ABAB
AABA
BBAB
. . . . . . . . . . . Bet here (i know you are aware of this?)

Let me know if you have any Questions? I managed to turn 10 Euro's into 120 euro's playing this way - Using patience as well and sticking to it - not chasing any losses!

Good luck
Rackermann

[Halba1]

I tested out rackermann's strategy on BV. 100% strike rate. less exposure.

[amk]

Very interesting approach...


DS4 is PATTERN 4 but then with 36 to 1 odds..... 

BR needed is 35 units....

It should produce winning streaks 5 times that of PATTERN 4...  100+,  played HIT AND RUN...

A loss can be countered with one game to halve your loss at progression 17 DS, 34/34 Dozens..

Hope JohnLegend might pick up on this....

[Halba1]

Hello everyone,

Below is a modification of the first entry/explanation.......


Following classical PATTERN 4 play we note down 3 groups of 3 wide double street numbers..

example    "4"5 1    group 1  "first number"
                  3 1 2    
                  5 6 4
                  ..           first number

We are NOT betting that the fourth pattern is different from the first but only that the first number of the fourth group is different from the first number of group 1...

Our first bet is 2 units on two dozens and 1 unit on one double street leaving only one double street open this of course being the first number of group 1...  a 5 unit bet in total... a win is +1 unit...  (bet  is 1  2/2)

If we lose this game we spin 2 more spins to finish our group of 3.
We play again but at 6  12/12

Example:
                "4" 5  1    group 1  "first number"
                "3"  1  2    group 2  "first number"
                  5  6  4     group 3
                "4" 3  2   first number bet is loss, same as group 1 first number, 3 2= virtual spins
                  2           first number is different from group 2 first number= win +1 unit ( 6 12/12)

If we were to lose the second game we can choose to stop and continue playing HIT AND RUN. In 35 games we would be even again. Or we can choose to halve our loss by directly playing again. We then make two virtual spins to finish our group of three than bet that the first number is different from group 3's first number.........

                 4" 5  1    group 1  "first number"
                "3" 1  2    group 2  "first number"
                 5   6  4     group 3
                "4" 3  2
                 3   4  5    (this game is a double loss) (4  5 are virtual spins)
                 2              win, first number is different from group 3's first number

In 1300 live Spielbank spins 410 games were won on the first bet, 70 games were won on the second bet, there were only 8 double loses......  NO TRIPLE LOSES WERE SEEN....  All games were played consecutively. This gives us an indication that a triple loss, a bet which if necessary would halve our lose of 35 units to 17, is very rare, even more rare played HIT AND RUN....  

Our progression for level 3 progression is  7  34/34     Total units needed is 120

Important to remember is after a loss we play directly again.........


In short, DS4 is PATTERN 4 but with 35 to 1 odds played with 2 levels of progressions. If we ever need to counter a double loss and halve our loses our chances are 215 to 1
Winning streaks can be 5 times as large as seen in PATTERN 4, 100+

I choose not to play DS4 horizontally because I discovered this trend playing vertically........

Hello AMK. you could do it like this

instead of 3 numbers in a row you are betting

do it like this.

e.g. you get a line of 6 double streets. a group of 6 is a common way to start tracking spins.

446254
bet immediately against each number above.

but it is impossible to get a direct or even a similarish repeat. this is because there are too many different combinations of the above. the no of combinations are more than yours- approx 1/46656 of getting directly similar again.

here are my results tested on playtech RNG real money

163223
446254 1 repeat
535651  1 repeat
156344
214522
122536 1 repeat

highest progression 2nd.

units +27

from your numbers you, only 1 repeat as per this mod.

[amk]

Hello Halba1....

What is your progression or style of betting?

If you have a three stage progression then you are actually playing that 163 is different from 446 (or different variations of 3 numbers in group one and three numbers in group 2)
This would be PATTERN 3 or DS3

163223         group 1
446254         group 2


If you have a 6 stage progression your odds would be 46656 to one, if you are flat betting you are playing that there are no repeats in group 2......... or you are in the loss.. There might be a playing method there? The only way to see is to run tests over many spins, then you have something to base it upon... A couple of games on RNG I don't think will do the trick....

[amk]

Hello everyone,

Below is a modification of the first entry/explanation.......


Following classical PATTERN 4 play we note down 3 groups of 3 wide double street numbers..

example    "4"5 1    group 1  "first number"
                   3 1 2   
                   5 6 4
                   ..           first number

We are NOT betting that the fourth pattern is different from the first but only that the first number of the fourth group is different from the first number of group 1...

Our first bet is 2 units on two dozens and 1 unit on one double street leaving only one double street open this of course being the first number of group 1...  a 5 unit bet in total... a win is +1 unit...  (bet  is 1  2/2)

If we lose this game we spin 2 more spins to finish our group of 3.
We play again but at 6  12/12

Example:
                 "4" 5  1    group 1  "first number"
                 "3"  1  2    group 2  "first number"
                   5  6  4     group 3
                 "4" 3  2   first number bet is loss, same as group 1 first number, 3 2= virtual spins
                   2           first number is different from group 2 first number= win +1 unit ( 6 12/12)

If we were to lose the second game we can choose to stop and continue playing HIT AND RUN. In 35 games we would be even again. Or we can choose to halve our loss by directly playing again. We then make two virtual spins to finish our group of three than bet that the first number is different from group 3's first number.........

                  4" 5  1    group 1  "first number"
                 "3" 1  2    group 2  "first number"
                  5   6  4     group 3
                 "4" 3  2
                  3   4  5    (this game is a double loss) (4  5 are virtual spins)
                  2              win, first number is different from group 3's first number

In 1300 live Spielbank spins 410 games were won on the first bet, 70 games were won on the second bet, there were only 8 double loses......  NO TRIPLE LOSES WERE SEEN....  All games were played consecutively. This gives us an indication that a triple loss, a bet which if necessary would halve our lose of 35 units to 17, is very rare, even more rare played HIT AND RUN.... 

Our progression for level 3 progression is  17  34/34     Total units needed is 120

Important to remember is after a loss we play directly again.........


In short, DS4 is PATTERN 4 but with 35 to 1 odds played with 2 levels of progressions. If we ever need to counter a double loss and halve our loses our chances are 215 to 1
Winning streaks can be 5 times as large as seen in PATTERN 4, 100+

I choose not to play DS4 horizontally because I discovered this trend playing vertically........