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Simple Trend Catcher

Started by malcop, Jun 30, 02:27 AM 2011

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warrior

GLC can you please explain how this prog. works :thumbsup: .

GLC

Quote from: warrior on Mar 01, 06:38 PM 2012
GLC can you please explain how this prog. works :thumbsup: .


The following is a paste from a topic I wrote titled "4 Times the Power" under Money Management.


First of all, my thanks to Tomla021 for sharing this 4 step bet method with me.  It's not invincible, but it has been holding strong so far.


We start with 4 units and we use them to win 4 more units.  It's a very clever positioning of the won units that makes this a strong method.  Explanation follows.


Here's our chart.  It has 4 patterns.  Memorize it.  It's easy to do.
1 1 1 1 = 4 units
1 2 1 1 = 5 units
1 1 2 2 = 6 units
1 1 2 3 = 7 units


Start with 4 units 1 1 1 1
Bet the 1st unit.  If it wins, put it on the 2nd unit like this 1 2 1 1.
Bet the 1st unit.  If it wins, put it on the 4th unit and move 1 unit from the 2nd position to the 3rd position like this 1 1 2 2.
Bet the 1st unit.  If it wins, put it on the 4th position like this 1 1 2 3.
Bet the 1st unit.  If it wins, we have won 4 units.  Goal accomplished.


But what if we don't win 4 times in a row?


We always bet the leftmost position and we always try to re-create the above positions.
We bet the 1st unit and if we lose, we bet the 2nd unit.
If we win on the 2nd unit we replace the 1st lost unit and we have 1 1 1 1 again.  Start over.
If we win the 1st bet we will have 1 2 1 1.  If we lose the next bet we will have X 2 1 1.
The leftmost number is 2 which we bet.  If we win, we will have 6 units.  We look at our chart and see what pattern is made up of 6 units.  It's 1 1 2 2.  That's our new pattern and we now bet the leftmost position, the 1st position or 1 unit.


Note:  We only recreate our chart after a win.  Everything stays in place after a loss.


If we win 2 times and then lose 2 times we will have X X 2 2.  Since we just lost we don't re-arrange the units so our next bet is 2.  A win here and we are re-arrange our chart to 1 1 2 2.
If we lose 3 times we will havel X X X 2.  We bet the 2 and if we win we will have 4 units and anytime we have 4 units after a win, we re-create the 4 units pattern, 1 1 1 1.


If we have the 1 1 2 3 pattern and we lose 3 times in a row we will have X X X 3 so we bet 3.  If we win we will have 6 units so we re-create the 6 units pattern, 1 1 2 2 and bet the 1st 1 unit bet next.


As you can see, the way we move the units around maximizes our chances of staying alive until we can win our 4 units.


This can be the foundation of a lot of betting methods to give us a better chance to walk away with a few chips.


I could stop right here.  But I won't. 


All we have to do is substitute this 4 unit series for a single unit.  For example, let's say we're betting D'Alembert or +1 on a loss and -1 on a win.  Instead of 1 unit we substitue 4 units.  We play our 4 unit pattern and if we lose, that represents a 1 unit loss so we +1 and our next pattern is 2 2 2 2.  We play it the same way as the 1 1 1 1 and if we win, we will have won 8 units which represents 2 units -1 unit = +1 unit.  Remember a unit is = to 4 units.



The strength of the system is if you win and then lose you have X 2 1 1  If now win, you don't just recover 1 lost unit, you recover 2 and have 1 1 2 2  You used the casino's money to help you move toward winning 4 units.

If you have 1 1 2 3 and you lose 3 times in a row, you will have x x x 3 instead of  x x x 1.  A win next with x x x 3 leaves us with 1 1 2 2 but with x x x 1 a win leaves us with x x 1 1. 

With ambidex, you can lose and then recover more quickly if you've had a couple of wins.  It actually let's you reach your goal with fewer wins.The strength of the system is in what you do with your winnings.  You don't take any winnings until you've won quite a bit.

  You use the current winnings to  decrease the odds of losing later on.You start with this pattern which represents 64 units:

1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1

If you win your first set you put the units on the second set like this.
1 1 1 1      2 2 2 2      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
If you win your 2nd set you put them on the 4th set and move the 2nd set to the 3rd set like this:
1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1       2 2 2 2     2 2 2 2
If you win the 3d set:
1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      2 2 2 2      3 3 3 3
After winning the 4th set you transfer everything down to the second line

1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2
1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1


The next pattern will be:


1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2
2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2


The next pattern will be:



1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1      1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2      2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3      3 3 3 3      3 3 3 3      3 3 3 3


  This will have built up a formidable bank arranged in such a way that it will be almost impossible to lose everything.

From here you can start taking winnings.  You can take 4 units every time you win 4 units.

You can leave your winnings in your bank until you have 64 more and then double your unit size or any number of possibilities.  You can work out your own methods.

This is a simple presentation of how to lay down the ground work so the odds of having a total loss are extremely remote.

Cheers,

GLC

In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

malcop

Hi GLC,


Thanks for posting the Ambidex progression, out of all the ones I have seen it seems by far the safest, now that I'm achieving well over 90% of my sessions flat-bet, I feel now it's time to move it up a gear.

I could just keep flat-betting, but I do like the look of this progression, done some research I see it has been around since 2002.

Now I've Just got to get my head around this progression!!!


Thanks


malcop

GLC

I'm always trying to mechanize these systems as much as possible without ruining there win ability.  I have been testing this bet selection with a simple idea.


Let's say we start with our normal bet selection method, say follow-the-last.
We can use any bet progression we want.  I have been testing this with the modified labby method called The Midas Method.  We play for +1 and we start with just 1 unit in our labby line.  As long as we win, we don't touch our line, we just keep putting the 1 unit wins in our profit pocket.  As soon as we lose, we write down the lost unit next to the original 1.  By starting with a 1, when we clear the labby we will have a 1 unit profit.  So after our 1st loss our line is


1 1


We continue to bet the leftmost number as long as we lose and every time we lose we write the number of units lost on the right end of the line.  We continue this way until we win.  Let's say we have lost 3 times, our line looks like this:


1 1 1 1


Now let's say we win.  On a win we cross off the left number that we were betting and we bet the leftmost and rightmost numbers.  In this case 1+1=2.  If we lose, we write the number of units lost on the right end of the line like this:


1 1 1 1 2


Since we lost we go back to betting only the leftmost number until we have a win and then we bet both ends of the line.   Etc...

For a more aggressive Midas Method, I some times play for a 3rd win in a row by betting 2 numbers from the left and 1 from the right.  I often use this if my line started getting too long or if I have a lot of losses early and my unit sizes aren't too large.

Back to bet selection.  I we have  RRR and we're being our normal FTL pattern and we get an B so that we have RRRB since we are in Normal mode we next bet for B which was the last.  If B does spin next we continue to bet FTL.  If it went from RRRB to RRRBR the B would have been an interrupt and we would switch to playing for Interrupts.


So we are either in N mode or I mode.  Whatever the last pattern was determines which mode we are playing for.  As long as playing for (I)nterrupt mode is winning, we continue in I mode.  As soon as we lose, it means that the N pattern won and we switch to (N)ormal follow-the-last pattern.


This takes a little of the deciding factor off our shoulders.


I will say that we switch back and forth quite often.  I don't have any doubt that we could wait until we have 2 (I's) or (N's) before we switch modes and it would be just as effective.


To keep track of which mode we're in, just start a line with N and whenever you switch to mode, write an I.  Every time you switch write the letter of the mode at the end of the line.


Another option is to use 1 chip for Normal mode and 2 chips for Interrupt mode and use this chip method to keep track.


Enough said,


GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

malcop

Hi Glc,


I'm not sure if you looked at the last three sessions that I posted, but the way you suggest about the interrupts and normal mode is the way I have been playing, it is 100% mechanical, I use three modes Normal, I (Interrupt), K (Killer).


There is no guesswork when I use Basic, Interrupt or Killer mode, and when I switch from one to the other.




Thanks


Malcop

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Mar 03, 02:29 AM 2012
Hi Glc,


I'm not sure if you looked at the last three sessions that I posted, but the way you suggest about the interrupts and normal mode is the way I have been playing, it is 100% mechanical, I use three modes Normal, I (Interrupt), K (Killer).


There is no guesswork when I use Basic, Interrupt or Killer mode, and when I switch from one to the other.




Thanks


Malcop
Sorry I forgot their is another mode D for doubles, I will post up later the full rules of how I uses the different modes.

GLC

Quote from: malcop on Mar 03, 02:29 AM 2012
Hi Glc,


I'm not sure if you looked at the last three sessions that I posted, but the way you suggest about the interrupts and normal mode is the way I have been playing, it is 100% mechanical, I use three modes Normal, I (Interrupt), K (Killer).


There is no guesswork when I use Basic, Interrupt or Killer mode, and when I switch from one to the other.




Thanks


Malcop


Sorry Malcop,  I haven't had time to look at the spreadsheets in depth.  Sounds like you've got everything covered.  As you know, most of the visitors and even members like to have the rules spelled out exactly so all they have to do is learn the rules and go for it.


We're just trying to help out the folks.


GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

malcop

Hi GLC,


I intend to put all the rules down, but it will have to wait until later, every time I sit down to try and put all the rules down, my 2 year old son, insists on my playing with him, so it will have to wait until he goes to bed.   ;D


Thanks


malcop

malcop

Hi All,

A few people today have asked me to give them the rules I now play Simple Trend Catcher so here goes.

I use four modes (N)ormal, (K)iller, (D)oubles and (I)nterrupts

(N)ormal Mode
 
AAA bet A
AAB bet B
ABB bet B
ABA bet B


(K)iller Mode

After three (N)ormal mode losses in a row we bet against in a 2-1 or 1-2 pattern, the reason I say that is because it changes depending on what pattern the three losses started from.

AAA - BAABA
AAB - ABBAB
ABB - ABBAB
ABA - ABAAB

Above you can see what it looks like if you had 5 (N)ormal mode losses in a row, if we take AAA as an example and after three losses in a row it would look like this: AAA - BAA so your next bet would be B to get AAA - BAAB then bet A to get AAA - BAABA then bet A to get AAA - BAABAA and continue with the 2-2 pattern until you get a loss in the (K)iller mode, then you look back three hands/spins and your next bet will be whatever it should be in (N)ormal mode.

AAA - BAA (1-2 Pattern)
AAB - ABB (1-2 Pattern)
ABB - ABB (1-2 Pattern)
ABA - ABA (2-1 Pattern) - (note: the first part of the 2-1 pattern has already been played)

The above is how you play in (K) mode after three (N) mode losses in a row.


(D)oubles Mode

When you use the (D)oubles Mode it is used in a on and off mode, the reason is the (D) mode is used for the chop and the (N) mode is used for the repeat part of the Doubles pattern.

If you see +ABBAA you go into (D) mode and bet B to get +ABBAAB then back in (N) mode and bet B to get +ABBAABB and you continue to alternate between (N) and (D) mode until the 2-2 pattern breaks, then you look back three hands and look back three hands/spins and bet whatever it should be based on (N) mode.


(I)nterrupt Mode

Interrupts are used as overrides for (N)ormal and (D)oubles Mode, when you are on a streak of three or more or a chop of two or more and a 2-2 pattern of two or more.


Sreak of three or more

+AAA-B now the streak has broke so you bet A for the streak to come back to +AAABA now in normal mode you would be betting for a chop but we stay in (I) mode and bet A again to get +AAABAA at this point you are no longer in (I) mode and back in (N) mode and you would bet A for the streak to continue, but if for example you win the first (I) mode bet and lose the second (I) mode it would look like this +AAABAB and because you are back in (N) mode you would bet A for the chop to continue.


Chop of two or more on one side

+AABABA-A the chop has broke with AA so now you bet B to try and get +AABABA-AB still in (I) you now bet A to try and get +AABABA-ABA the chop has continued so you are now out of (I) mode and back in (N) betting for the chop pattern to continue.


Doubles of two or more on one side

+ABBAABBAA-A the 2-2 pattern has broke with AAA so now we bet B to get +ABBAABBAA-AB then bet B again to get +ABBAABBAA-ABB then bet A to get +ABBAABBAA-ABBA then A again to get +ABBAABBAA-ABBAA you are now out of (I) mode and you should be back in (N) mode, now normally that would be the case but if you look you now have +ABBAA which in fact puts you in (D) mode and you would be betting B for the chop to continue.

Note: +ABBAABBAB would also be valid to enter (I) mode you still have at least two 2-2 patterns on one side so play for the 2-2 pattern as above.

So there you have the three (I)nterrupt modes, the most important thing to remember is that if you lose an interrupt mode bet you go straight back to (N) mode.

Important information at all times keep track of what would have been a three (N) mode losses in a row and as soon as you see that you go into (K) mode and bet for the 2-1 or 1-2 pattern until a loss then back to (N) mode, all of the above modes are used in my last three posted sessions with all the modes clearly marked except (N) mode if you see nothing marked assume that I'm playing in (N) mode.

This all may seem very complicated but after a few sessions it becomes seccond nature
As always any questions just ask.

Thanks

Malcop




GLC

Well thought out Malcop.


All I can say is if this isn't the Rolls Royce of even chance bet selection methods I don't know what is.


You're right, after reading through your explanations a few times it starts to make perfect sense and quickly becomes second nature.


The interrupt factor is probably the hardest to get a handle on, but it can be a powerful ingredient.


We all know that we can still get spins that parry every thrust, but we should hit pay dirt most of the time.  Excuse the mixing of metaphors.


I think a person can pick their favorite betting progression method and have a realistic shot at winning more often than they lose.


Thanks for all your efforts my friend.


The thing I like about this is that it can be played on baccarat or any even money game.


GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

amk

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That is a great 333rd post malcop

malcop

Quote from: GLC on Mar 03, 10:08 PM 2012
Well thought out Malcop.


All I can say is if this isn't the Rolls Royce of even chance bet selection methods I don't know what is.


You're right, after reading through your explanations a few times it starts to make perfect sense and quickly becomes second nature.


The interrupt factor is probably the hardest to get a handle on, but it can be a powerful ingredient.


We all know that we can still get spins that parry every thrust, but we should hit pay dirt most of the time.  Excuse the mixing of metaphors.


I think a person can pick their favorite betting progression method and have a realistic shot at winning more often than they lose.


Thanks for all your efforts my friend.


The thing I like about this is that it can be played on baccarat or any even money game.


GLC
Hi GLC,


Thank you for your complement, I have always liked Simple Trend Catcher and always found myself keep coming back to it over and over again, the worst thing was when I was playing other systems/methods I could not get out of my head that would have been a simple trend catcher win ect. but most days I have always played at least a couple of sessions with Simple Trend Catcher on either Roulette or Baccarat, but it could also be used on any EC game in the Casino the same patterns/trends emerge on any EC game.


The strike rate of this update has been extremely high for me so far, of course you can have losing sessions with this Bet Selection, you tell me any bet selection that dose not lose now and then, it dose not exist, but you should find you will win far more sessions than losing ones as long as you are not one of people that are in profit and then throw it all away chasing a target, well that's what I have found so far anyway, and at the end of the day that's all that counts.


This all started because I wanted something simple that would allow me to jump on the trends of streaks/chops of 3 or more, and was not based on guesswork, the feeling when you are on those winning runs of 3, 4, 5, 6 or more is great and you get quite a few of those when using this system, also it had to perform reasonably well flat-betting only.


Thanks


malcop


malcop

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That is a great 333rd post malcop
Thank you AMK

GLC

Malcop,


Tell me what you think about this idea.


A losing streak can be of any length, but we know that it has to end eventually.  We know that there will be more 3 losses in a row losing steaks than 4 losses in a row losing streaks and there will be more 4 losses in a row streaks than 5 in a row.


What if we say that every time we have 4 losses in a row, we take a chance that it won't go to 5 losses in a row and we make a larger than required bet.  Let's say we're betting D'Alembert and we're at a 6 unit bet having lost the last 4 bets which total -14 units.  Our next bet should be 7 which would recover half of those losses but what if we take a risk and bet the total of the last 4 losses or 14 units.  If we lose we write down two 7's instead of 1 and when we are winning and dropping back down the bet line, we just have to win both 7's before dropping to the 6.


Maybe we don't do this every time we have 4 losses but every time we have 4 losses caused by a certain pattern such as BRBRB here we bet for the chops pattern to break and we bet a larger than normal amount.


Is there some situation where this would give us an advantage or are we just going to have a balance between the times we win it vs the times we lose it.


My original thought was to flat bet at 1 unit and every time we lose 4 or 5 in a row, we make a 4 or 5 unit bet that it won't continue to 5 or 6 losses in a row.  In this case we always bet 1 unit except when we have our magic number of losses in a row that triggers a larger bet.


The longer I type, the more I think in the long run it won't help us but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the idea.


Thanks


GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

malcop

Hi GLC,


The only problem I feel is just like winning streaks we really don't know how long a losing streak will be, and I do feel losing streaks are just a balance.

It's a bit like if we flip it and say once we are on a winning streak of 4+ we raise our stakes same thing we just don't know when it will end.


I just accept that some sessions will have long losing streaks and others will not, in the end the end it all balances out.


I read somewhere to just accept what the table gives you, and don't try to force it and that's how I play, I never try and force a win or profit, just grateful for what I can get out of the session.

If a session is really tough that is telling me to get what I can and get the hell out of there!

When I'm in a session I'm always evaluating based on how the session is going when is the best time to exit, it's not always as easy as saying I will exit the session when I lose my buy-in or when I get to a certain target, because it is always changing, and you have to base your decision on what you know up to that point not what may or may-not happen.

Maybe that's why I have a high strike rate who knows but it works for me.

That's why I believe that no two people could ever have the same results unless they play like robots, my play is mechanical but not always my exit points, if my gut say go now, go when I reach say +6 again then that's what I do, learnt from experience the hard way to listen to that little voice.



Thanks


malcop

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