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Started by ll l ll l lll ll, Jul 19, 01:43 PM 2011

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ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: GLC on Jul 23, 10:49 PM 2011
Barcode,


I don't mean to be negative, but this method of selecting a bet isn't that unique.  Nor is betting in sets of 3 that unique.  It's the wedding of the two together that is giving this system legs, in my opinion.


I guess flat betting can't do no harm, but I'm pretty sure you're going to find that your progression is worth buying in for a few more units.


GLC

Yes, I agree.  Time will tell.

chrisbis

Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 08:44 PM 2011

I just played the first 29 numbers of the numbers you provided with the way I play.  I got off to a slow start and only reached 2c of the progression and then went into profit of +3 at spin #23 which was number 35.  I then contined to play and reached +6 at spin 29 which was #15.  If I was betting $1,000 chips in the casino I just walked out with $6,000 in 29 spins, while never betting more than 2 units ($2k) per spin. 

I said it from the begining, my aim is to win only 3 units.  If I can do that consistently with such a small progression where my betting units are never more than 3 units, I have acheived a method that I like to play in a real casino which is play big for minimal time.  Imagine building up your bankroll and playing with $5,000 chips.  3 units is $15,000.


In My Humble Opinion extremely unlikely that you would bet on Dozens with $1000 chips............If You have that much money, then your unlikely to be risking it on a 1 in 3 chance.


But, that's my opinion, since I have not got , that sort of money.


To extrapolate this system, out from the Usual $1 per chip base bet value, out into the far flung reaches of 1000's of dollars, I think is an un-wise comment.


Best of luck to you though, but keep it real for the masses eh!  O0

superman

Well, it doesnt look like it can run continual and make steady profit so thats the end of my testing with it.

Yes it does reach peaks of 5 or 7 or even 9 units every time I have run it but like ChrisBis says, its not a method for the masses who are probably mostly playing with 1cent, 10cent units, $500 or a $1000 units are beyond most peoples reach, heck, if they had that sort of money why are they playing roulette?

Almost any method on the forum will win you 3 or 4 units without a hitch most of the time so personally I dont see any advantage in this system, like George says, you'll get the same results from following the last dozen, especially if you are only after 3 or 4 wins then go home.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 24, 03:45 AM 2011

In My Humble Opinion extremely unlikely that you would bet on Dozens with $1000 chips............If You have that much money, then your unlikely to be risking it on a 1 in 3 chance.


But, that's my opinion, since I have not got , that sort of money.


To extrapolate this system, out from the Usual $1 per chip base bet value, out into the far flung reaches of 1000's of dollars, I think is an un-wise comment.


Best of luck to you though, but keep it real for the masses eh!  O0

The dollar amount attatched to the unit is irrelevant.  You can use whatever you like to fit your budget.  Obviously to play with big money it makes sense to slowly build your bankroll until you are in a position to play with big money.

In my opinion it makes no sense playing for hours in a casino to earn 84 units of $1.00 chips, it is not efficient and poor time management.  Don't bother playing until you have a strategy that you can win consistently with small units and bet BIG.

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: superman on Jul 24, 03:53 AM 2011
Well, it doesn't look like it can run continual and make steady profit so that's the end of my testing with it.

Yes it does reach peaks of 5 or 7 or even 9 units every time I have run it but like ChrisBis says, its not a method for the masses who are probably mostly playing with 1cent, 10cent units, $500 or a $1000 units are beyond most peoples reach, heck, if they had that sort of money why are they playing roulette?

Almost any method on the forum will win you 3 or 4 units without a hitch most of the time so personally I don't see any advantage in this system, like George says, you'll get the same results from following the last dozen, especially if you are only after 3 or 4 wins then go home.

Like I said in my previous post, a win goal of +3 or +5 should be everyone's goal.  You need to change your mindset.  If you can do that on a consistent basis, that is all you need.  You slowly build your bankroll until you can bet BIG.  Playing with 1cent, 10cents and looking to win 100 units is the biggest waste of time I have ever heard of.

You say "any method on the forum will win you 3 or 4 units without a hitch," this is correct but to do it on a consistent basis most of them require you to risk a substantial amount in long drawn out progressions like the Martingale.

Juiced91

had high hopes for this system but on three ocasions it passed the 3c mark so im done testing this one too.

At the begining i played with a slightly dif progression i played 3spins on 1 unit then 3 spins on 2 units and that performed better. if i won i would go down to the previous unit. Maybe have a look at that.


superman

Quoteif I won I would go down to the previous unit

Standard D'Alembert then, I tried a few variations of MM some worked better than others but they all have an achilles heel to long runs of losses even with the oddd win in between, pity, the bet selection did look good that's why I botted it.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

trebor

I'm still testing this. Is anyone else?

I'm interested to find out if winning sessions more than keep ahead of losing sessions.  In my case I'm stopping at +20 or when the proggression loses at 3c because that reflects a real world session time wise.

Limited time and working manually mean I've only done 22 sessions and I'm 319 points up with 1 session lost.

@ Superman. Do your results with a bot show that I'm on another fool's errand?

Anyone else with an opinion?

I'd be interested to know about your proposed tweaks Barcode. Are they on the bet selection?

Robert

trebor

I know the the testing figures above don't add up. I stop at about 20 ( might be 18, 19, 21, 22 etc.) and on a a few it dragged on so I bailed out with any sort of profit.

Actually one of the things I like about this is that there are often plenty of opportunities to stop in profit or with small losses if the progression gets towards the end.

Robert

Tomla021

ive played it live a few times--no losses yet,,, im sure it will hit some bumps
"No Whining, just Winning"

superman

QuoteDo your results with a bot show that I'm on another fool's errand?

Not exactly Robert, but it will get into a hole at some point, I stopped testing for that reason, I only need to see one bang and I am moving on to something else, as you know the idea behind a bot is plug n play. Personally I can't see how any tweaks could help it, it's like GLC said, follow the last would return similar results, especially on RNG, where are you playing?
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

catalyst

Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 23, 08:44 PM 2011
I have acheived a method that I like to play in a real casino which is play big for minimal time.  Imagine building up your bankroll and playing with $5,000 chips.  3 units is $15,000.

very nice statement. after a long time in this forum---seems to me I am living in fool's paradise.  ;D ;D :twisted: :twisted:
meaning no harm to anyone---just needed few giggles.

ll l ll l lll ll

Quote from: trebor on Jul 26, 07:27 AM 2011
I know the the testing figures above don't add up. I stop at about 20 ( might be 18, 19, 21, 22 etc.) and on a a few it dragged on so I bailed out with any sort of profit.

Actually one of the things I like about this is that there are often plenty of opportunities to stop in profit or with small losses if the progression gets towards the end.

Robert

Exactly!  With proper displine, this can be a consistent reliable money maker for many.  Every single session I have had I was well into profit several times.  It's when you continue to play and hit the inevitable losing sequences where you try to recover with the progression that can keep down your overall profits.

As far as tweeking, i'm still experimenting with a few things.  Like I said this is still very playable, but I am searching for an even stronger bet selction where I know with certainty that a progression will be able to handle it.


GLC

Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on Jul 26, 03:57 PM 2011

Exactly!  With proper displine, this can be a consistent reliable money maker for many.  Every single session I have had I was well into profit several times.  It's when you continue to play and hit the inevitable losing sequences where you try to recover with the progression that can keep down your overall profits.

As far as tweeking, i'm still experimenting with a few things.  Like I said this is still very playable, but I am searching for an even stronger bet selction where I know with certainty that a progression will be able to handle it.

Barcode, please take a few minutes and look at my "clean up before move up" bet porgression.   It can be easily adapted to this bet selection on 2:1 payoffs.  I presented it for even chances but the principles can be applied to any bet location.  Of course you'll have to give up your sets of 3 idea, but maybe that's not the best way to bet this system.

I suggest losing say 5 to 10 units before moving to the 2 unit recovery stage.  I also like to reset everything once I reach +1 or more.  By doing that, you can decide when you've won all you want and head for the door.

Just a suggestion.

GLC
In my case it doesn't matter.  I'm both!

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