Let s see if some members can help the others to get out of the dark

[superman]

Stop playing if the gods aren't smiling then

1 point to the bus in that case.

[F_LAT_INO]

1 point to the bus in that case.

--And I point to PWCBus...to the winning seat....Good luck

[superman]

PWCBus

LOL threads too long to read, cant you make a shorter version?

[hamsup_sotong]

You can hit a bad run from the start ,and you will lose even your underwear .

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thats where the mm comes in. . Whats important is winning more money than losing isnt it? What we should be looking for isnt something that beats the mathemical edge of 2.7 and wins every session. BUt a bet coupled with an mm system that allows us to win more than it loses.

You may lose your underwear now and than, HOWEVER that's why u have spares!!!! looooooool

cheers
hamsup

[woods101]

..or play 'in commando'...

[Turner]

I have a policy. If I win anything over my £100 I stop and cashout, come back later, even if its £112. I play for repeats in 24. They do happen. I do win.

Its all too common to get a rush of blood and your ego whispers something like " its working, lets carry on"

The biggest thing to get over is that any system you play will ultimatly lose.
You are stood in a hole in a disc. Below that disc is another disc rotating, with the same hole. At some time the holes align and you fall through. Thats with every red, black, marty, dozen repeating odd streaked, column elliminating, turbo streeted, Code 4, matix system you could ever invent.

If someone said to me, jump on that disc, the holes align every 30 mins. Stay on for 10 seconds, Ill give you £5, stay on for 2 mins, Ill give you £40, I would take the £5 every time.
But Ive read Code4 post and you guys are staying on that disc for 20 mins. Its insane to believe that the sockets in a disc that someone has drawn numbers on and painted red and black would someway follow some pattern for a long time.

The only thing nature told us is this. The ball will fall in 24 pockets during 37 spins leaving 13 empty.
That is your only clue. Thow dice 6 times...same.
Last night I looked at columns and dozens. 1A is doz 1 colA. i.e.1,4,7,10. (I put 0 in 1B)
Look at this in 9 spins. 36, 14,8,14,12,22,32,23,13
1A=0, 1B=1, 1C=1, 2A=2, 2B=3, 2C=0, 3A=0, 3B=1, 3C=1
6 hit, 3 didnt
That fascinates me, but its our only clue to whats happening . Not coloured odd even mirages, just good old law of the third for random numbers.

[RouletteExplorer]

Ok I read a lot of times in here members telling that :

" Playing the same pattern eventually will lose " or "Playing the same system eventually will lose "

The result of what they say is CORRECT.
BUT the loss isn t comming because we play the SAME patter or the SAME system!

The loss is comming because the more spins we play the more the HOUSE EDGE is comming.

So even if we change patterns or systems during play we will still lose with the same rate(-2,7)

Its NOT what we play....its how many spins we play...
And the hit and run can t work with that because the spins are added in every play and the thing that counts is the TOTAL spins played....

I hope at least 1 member to get out of the dark in this thing

Thanks

[Jeromin]

The only thing nature told us is this. The ball will fall in 24 pockets during 37 spins leaving 13 empty.

On average... I checked a sample 100 sessions and after 37 spins unique numbers can be anything from 18 to 28.

Jeromin

[XXVV]

We are grateful for our friend Roulette Explorer to be holding the torch that (we hope) keeps us on the path. However where is this path leading? If the true story is that there is no avoidance of this dreaded -2.7% edge, what is the point  in playing roulette - to experience the thrill of temporarily 'cheating' a negative expectation?


It seems a perverse use of our valuable resources if that were the (only) case.


But I guess the gamblers do that. Like bashing your head against a wall in a sad and dangerous addiction. If that rings any alarm bells get out now! Its your choice.


But what of the others? And other ways? Are there other pathways?


It is very likely most if not all members of this Forum would rather make genuine headway than throw their goodwill and resources into the void with all those negative social consequences to follow. It certainly is a downhill path and I can say that I have been there and done that as part of my education.


One of the delightful opportunities playing roulette is that we have to come to know ourselves, our strengths and weaknesses, sooner rather than later, if we are to progress.


Facing the realities of the house edge and true odds is essential for any intelligent 'investor' looking to learn.


However please let's assert that there are approaches to money management, to self management, to research and construction of bets, that are worthwhile and successful.


As in any field you take seriously, you must start with passion, with energy and resources to research all you can find on the subject. Then to apply that knowledge slowly and effectively.


Also its a matter of association. Where do you stand and who do you associate with?


These are all considerations.


There are bets that in short cycles and in relatively modest expression can provide profit and a neutralisation of house edge or even a positive edge which will vary with Ecart cycles.


If that were not the case what would be the point of this work? To research and find that your lifetime's work was flawed or pointless? How sad would that be, but there are some in various fields who have encountered that, and it is an occupational hazard for researchers.


Our connected-ness now, our wired society, our speed of research, and the exponential growth of knowledge in specialist fields (such as roulette) is working to help us.


Dont let glib assertions stop you.


I view 'the house edge' as fact, a reality that like tax or gravity or friction, something that is taken care of with appropriate knowledge, skill and invention.


Anything is possible. The winner of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry this year, Daniel Shechtman, is living proof of that.


Hopefully these comments may provoke some constructive work.

[hanshuckebein]

" Playing the same pattern eventually will lose " or "Playing the same system eventually will lose "

The result of what they say is CORRECT.
BUT the loss isn t comming because we play the SAME patter or the SAME system!

The loss is comming because the more spins we play the more the HOUSE EDGE is comming.

following this line of thought than all we'd need is a no zero game? the house edge is gone and we'd never lose? 

cheers

hans

[Bayes]

Of course the house edge is a factor, but in my opinion the greatest enemy is not the zero effect, but deviation or "drift". Try playing a no-zero game and see how easy it is to win - NOT.

Find a way to tame the deviations and you'll be a winner. There is no speculative activity which doesn't involve some kind of house advantage. Forex traders have to pay brokers the "spread" - the difference between the bid and ask price - on every trade. And don't try to tell me that short-term technical trading isn't essentially every bit as random as roulette,  yet there are traders who make consistent profits.

I prefer roulette because the outcomes follow the normal distribution (bell curve) very closely and consistently, which isn't always the case with currencies, stocks etc. There are just too many variables to consider (same for sports betting). And yet roulette and other casino games are not considered by "serious" speculators to be legitimate opportunities - they're purely for gambling and entertainment.

@ RE, if you're so disillusioned with roulette, why not take some time out to see if you can make money at sports betting or trading?

You may do well, or maybe you'll come to the conclusion I did: that roulette is easier to beat.

[MAX]

All methods,systems and strategies based on non confined testing tent to loos at the end.

Playing one system in a short  session ,KNOW WHAT IS THE STRONG AND WEEK POINTS .

Let the method play against it self and turn it to your advantage.

Regards
Max

[XXVV]

@Bayes
Thank you so much for this very clear and accurate overview. Totally agree. It is fascinating to read Nassim Taleb's take on the true complexities for the traders and the relative ignorance of handling randomness. Life in the casino is so very much easier and actually roulette offers remarkable opportunities as yet not recognised by many at all.

[RouletteExplorer]

"""""@ RE, if you're so disillusioned with roulette, why not take some time out to see if you can make money at sports betting or trading? """""


It s not me that I am disillusioned....it s you Bayes that you are illusioned 


"""Life in the casino is so very much easier and actually roulette offers remarkable opportunities as yet not recognised by many at all."""

So XXXV have you recognized those "opportunities"?
If yes why are you still in here?

Anyone that looks in a forum or participate means that he DOESNT have a winning way...
Only words can t make anything....when we put those words to the test its always the same....loss of -2.7

[catalyst]

Anyone that looks in a forum or participate means that he doesn't have a winning way...
Only words can t make anything....when we put those words to the test its always the same....loss of -2.7

dear RE
you are damn wrong. participation does not reflect the status (winner or loser) of forum members. some people i now who are winning consistently. you get negative attitude, you get negative outcome!
catalyst