Guilty Gear EC...

[Jeromin]

Hello iancloud2001,

I did a bit of testing along those lines and have attached 100 files of 49 spin sets from Wiesbaden casino ( I got the data from VLS roulette, as well as the program to process it, designed to test Winkel's G.U.T.  )

On a first review, betting for one of the sleeping 18 numbers, most times they show up in the first few spins, but this set has 1x7 step, 2x8step, 1x9 step and 1x10step.

They look like this:

Sp Nm W/L  =0 =1 >1 =2 >2  Adv bet                                                    =  BRoll
-  -      37  0  0  0  0                                                                    0
1 23      36  1           
2  1      35  2           
3 25      34  3           
4  4      33  4           
5 16      32  5           
6 17      31  6           
7 19      30  7           
8  0      29  8           
9 15      28  9           
10 17      28  8  1  1     
11 15      28  7  2  2     
12  3      27  8  2  2     
13 12      26  9  2  2     
14 29      25 10  2  2     
15 24      24 11  2  2     
16 34      23 12  2  2     
17 24      23 11  3  3     
18 36      22 12  3  3     
19  5      21 13  3  3     
20 32      20 14  3  3     
21 16      20 13  4  4     
22  4      20 12  5  5     
23 23      20 11  6  6     
24 12      20 10  7  7     
25 34      20  9  8  8     =1:  0  1  3  5 19 25 29 32 36                             9     -9
26 32 W    20  8  9  9                                                                     +27
27 15      20  8  9  8  1  =1:  0  1  3  5 19 25 29 36                                8    +19
28 22 L    19  9  9  8  1  =1:  0  1  3  5 19 22 25 29 36                             9    +10
29 32 L    19  9  9  7  2  =1:  0  1  3  5 19 22 25 29 36                             9     +1
30 18 L    18 10  9  7  2  =1:  0  1  3  5 18 19 22 25 29 36                         10     -9
31 11 L    17 11  9  7  2                                                                   -9
32 15      17 11  9  7  2 
33 24      17 11  9  6  3 
34 31      16 12  9  6  3 
35 32      16 12  9  6  3 
36 26      15 13  9  6  3 
37  1      15 12 10  7  3 
38 28      14 13 10  7  3  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 21 27 30 33 35             14    -23
39  4 L    14 13 10  6  4  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 21 27 30 33 35             14    -37
40 26 L    14 12 11  7  4  =1:  0  3  5 11 18 19 22 25 28 29 31 36                   12    -49
41 21 L    13 13 11  7  4  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33 35                13    -62
42  1 L    13 13 11  6  5  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33 35                13    -75
43  5 L    13 12 12  7  5  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33 35                13    -88
44  4 L    13 12 12  7  5  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33 35                13   -101
45  7 W    12 13 12  7  5  =1:  0  3  7 11 18 19 21 22 25 28 29 31 36                13    -78
46  8 L    11 14 12  7  5                                                                  -78
47  3      11 13 13  8  5  =1:  0  7  8 11 18 19 21 22 25 28 29 31 36                13    -91
48 22 W    11 12 14  9  5                                                                  -55
49 35      10 13 14  9  5  =0:  2  6  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33                         10    -65
50 31 L    * End of Session                                                                -65

Only the rows and columns are tidier than this.

Jeromin

[Drazen]

19 numbers doesn't have to be in a row? in that case you can always have your 19 numbers?  My friend, i have explored this thing but not at the way you are saying. There is a law that affects on all numbers on the wheel.. Your progression is too dangerous.

Regards


Drazen

[birdhands]

Hello iancloud2001,

I did a bit of testing along those lines and have attached 100 files of 49 spin sets from Wiesbaden casino ( I got the data from VLS roulette, as well as the program to process it, designed to test Winkel's G.U.T.  )

On a first review, betting for one of the sleeping 18 numbers, most times they show up in the first few spins, but this set has 1x7 step, 2x8step, 1x9 step and 1x10step.

They look like this:

Sp Nm W/L  =0 =1 >1 =2 >2  Adv bet                                                    =  BRoll
-  -      37  0  0  0  0                                                                    0
1 23      36  1           
2  1      35  2           
3 25      34  3           
4  4      33  4           
5 16      32  5           
6 17      31  6           
7 19      30  7           
8  0      29  8           
9 15      28  9           
10 17      28  8  1  1     
11 15      28  7  2  2     
12  3      27  8  2  2     
13 12      26  9  2  2     
14 29      25 10  2  2     
15 24      24 11  2  2     
16 34      23 12  2  2     
17 24      23 11  3  3     
18 36      22 12  3  3     
19  5      21 13  3  3     
20 32      20 14  3  3     
21 16      20 13  4  4     
22  4      20 12  5  5     
23 23      20 11  6  6     
24 12      20 10  7  7     
25 34      20  9  8  8     =1:  0  1  3  5 19 25 29 32 36                             9     -9
26 32 W    20  8  9  9                                                                     +27
27 15      20  8  9  8  1  =1:  0  1  3  5 19 25 29 36                                8    +19
28 22 L    19  9  9  8  1  =1:  0  1  3  5 19 22 25 29 36                             9    +10
29 32 L    19  9  9  7  2  =1:  0  1  3  5 19 22 25 29 36                             9     +1
30 18 L    18 10  9  7  2  =1:  0  1  3  5 18 19 22 25 29 36                         10     -9
31 11 L    17 11  9  7  2                                                                   -9
32 15      17 11  9  7  2 
33 24      17 11  9  6  3 
34 31      16 12  9  6  3 
35 32      16 12  9  6  3 
36 26      15 13  9  6  3 
37  1      15 12 10  7  3 
38 28      14 13 10  7  3  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 21 27 30 33 35             14    -23
39  4 L    14 13 10  6  4  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 21 27 30 33 35             14    -37
40 26 L    14 12 11  7  4  =1:  0  3  5 11 18 19 22 25 28 29 31 36                   12    -49
41 21 L    13 13 11  7  4  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33 35                13    -62
42  1 L    13 13 11  6  5  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33 35                13    -75
43  5 L    13 12 12  7  5  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33 35                13    -88
44  4 L    13 12 12  7  5  =0:  2  6  7  8  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33 35                13   -101
45  7 W    12 13 12  7  5  =1:  0  3  7 11 18 19 21 22 25 28 29 31 36                13    -78
46  8 L    11 14 12  7  5                                                                  -78
47  3      11 13 13  8  5  =1:  0  7  8 11 18 19 21 22 25 28 29 31 36                13    -91
48 22 W    11 12 14  9  5                                                                  -55
49 35      10 13 14  9  5  =0:  2  6  9 10 13 14 20 27 30 33                         10    -65
50 31 L    * End of Session                                                                -65

Only the rows and columns are tidier than this.

Jeromin

that's because they're not in a row. 

[iancloud2001]

Actually, they don't have to be in a row, but it is obviously better if it is. Either way, I still believe that we are constantly placing premium emphasis on the table layout that's given to us, instead of letting random show us the way. Seriously, what's the difference between Dozen 1, and the numbers (2,5,9,11,14,18,19,21,24,25,31,35)? That's also 12 numbers...

Hi, Jeromin, I don't understand any of what you showed me. Could you try the system yourself? Maybe on Roulette Xtreme?

[Optimist]

Actually, they don't have to be in a row, but it is obviously better if it is. Either way, I still believe that we are constantly placing premium emphasis on the table layout that's given to us, instead of letting random show us the way. Seriously, what's the difference between Dozen 1, and the numbers (2,5,9,11,14,18,19,21,24,25,31,35)? That's also 12 numbers...

Hi, Jeromin, I don't understand any of what you showed me. Could you try the system yourself? Maybe on Roulette Xtreme?

Iancloud,

Exactly - no difference. I have coded that idea on bot (with 12 numbers or u could say virtual dozens) so it will be very easy to change it to 19 numbers. I will inform about test results tomorrow.
Just one question. What marty u suggest?

Thanks
DL

[birdhands]

Ian,
   Yes, there is no difference between dozen 1 and any 12 numbers; I agree.  But those 12 million spins data tell us that there were not more than 23 EC's IN A ROW.  That's our guarantee.  Otherwise you're just betting 18 sleepers on a martingale.  If we had a section in the 12 million data for the maximum number of sleepers SIMULTANEOUSLY, then we could base your bet on that.  I think this distinction is crucial.

[Optimist]

Actually, they don't have to be in a row, but it is obviously better if it is. Either way, I still believe that we are constantly placing premium emphasis on the table layout that's given to us, instead of letting random show us the way. Seriously, what's the difference between Dozen 1, and the numbers (2,5,9,11,14,18,19,21,24,25,31,35)? That's also 12 numbers...

Hi, Jeromin, I don't understand any of what you showed me. Could you try the system yourself? Maybe on Roulette Xtreme?

Why do u think that is better when 19 are in a row. You can catch repeats. I would say is much better when You have 19 unique numbers in last 25 spins. In this case you have passed 6 repeats.

[Jeromin]

Hi, Jeromin, I don't understand any of what you showed me. Could you try the system yourself? Maybe on Roulette Xtreme?

Ok, if you download and uzip the files, opening any file, the first column, labelled sp is the spin number, goes from 1 to 50; second column ( Nm) is the actual spins, as taken from a Wiesbaden file from 2003 to 2008; the W/L column you can ignore, it refers to the G.U.T. system; the fourth column (=0) is the number of numbers from 0 to 37 that are still sleeping in that set, starts with 37 before the first spin and goes down. So it does not go down when a number repeats. Number 18 in that column is the one we are looking for, how many times it repeats.

The remaining columns you can ignore, the refer to the numers of numbers that have appeared once, twice, etc. and to the profit lossess of the G.U.T. bets in each possition.

Jeromin

[Jeromin]

Why do u think that is better when 19 are in a row. You can catch repeats. I would say is much better when You have 19 unique numbers in last 25 spins. In this case you have passed 6 repeats.

19 unique numbers in a row is very rare. Probably would not make for a practical system.

Jeromin

[iancloud2001]

Optimist,

Actually, you are correct. 19 in 25 spins should be in our favor, no? I would really appreciate you testing this further with a bot. I was also thinking about doing something with the Dozens or even Double Streets using this method. Guilty Gear *D/C*  and Guilty Gear *DS*. I like it!

As this is basically a Virtual EC betting strategy, a basic martingale should suffice. 18-36-72-144-288. Now, personally, I'm willing to go a few steps higher than that. Especially if it's with .01 or .10 cent units. But I need further testing to see just how far it may go. Just like how the 12 Million spins data gave me some huge insight...

birdhands,

Yes, I've thought of that, but you know, since that 12 Million spin table or RX don't have that section, that's all I have to go by at the moment.  It's not even possible for any true EC (Red/Black etc) to have 23 UNIQUE numbers in a row.

[MightyMark]

23 unique numbers in a row has and will happen... Monte Carlo saw 43 e/c's on the trot ( I think) real wheel too, martingale NEVER wins, you can win for months and lose it all on one bad streak..

[birdhands]

This is blowing my mind.  Would you bet red because you found 19 reds in the last 30 spins? 

[iancloud2001]

birdhands,

No, not at all. However, If i saw 30 in a row? Sure I would bet on black, if only for 5 or 6 steps.

[amk]

19 unique numbers in a row is very rare. Probably would not make for a practical system.

Jeromin

Perhaps 11/12/ or 13 EC's in a row would suffice?..............

[birdhands]

birdhands,

No, not at all. However, If i saw 30 in a row? Sure I would bet on black, if only for 5 or 6 steps.

Now I'm really confused.  Now you are talking about 30 in a row.  I thought they didn't have to be in a row.  That's what this whole discussion is about.  This is my second huge communication breakdown today.  Maybe it's me.

If I saw 30 reds in a row, I would bet on black.  If I saw 20 reds in a row I would bet on black.  If I saw 20 reds out of 30 spins I would not bet on anything.  And if I saw 20 unique numbers out of 30 spins I would not bet on anything.