Straight Up Numbers?

[GLC]

Our friend Seykid31 asked me in a PM if I still preferred group bets (even chances, dozens, lines, etc...) over straight up numbers.

Here's a copy of my response to him.  I thought I'd post it here to get some other feedback.

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I like playing around with outside bets.

I do believe that playing straight up numbers is the purest way to play roulette.

Here's why.  Let's say we're wanting to play trends so we track which locations are hitting the most.  If we are looking at lines, every time a line hits, we are including 5 numbers that didn't hit and really have no relation to the one that did hit.  It's even worse for dozens or even chances.  That's like carrying a heavy weight on your back.

Really what we're doing is trying to determine which numbers are trending.  Either hot numbers or cold numbers.

The problem with working with individual numbers is that it is more expensive and it takes a lot longer and more concentration to track.

I have been looking at, but not posting anything, ways of converting systems that are focused on dozens or lines or streets to individual numbers using the same principles.  In my testing, there does appear to be a higher hit rate with individual numbers. 

It's also a lot slower to play and, in the case of multiple numbers, more expensive to bet; until you finally hit a win.  That's when you can start smiling.

A final thing that I have noticed is that if you get a little lucky playing straight up numbers, you can win a big chunk of money with little investment.

Time seems to be the biggest drawback to playing straight up numbers.

Looking for other perspectives, please.

GLC

[Proofreaders2000]

@GLC I love the fact you are converting systems from outside to straight up numbers.
Posting those ideas would be appreciated.

The money in my opinion is in straight up numbers.  Right now I'm looking at 5 or less.  Could there be a winning system that could reach 20% profit within an hour ($500 bank start, $100 profit?)

With outside bets you really have to be accurate to win money, with straight ups, no so much.

[MrJ]

 "I do believe that playing straight up numbers is the purest way to play roulette" >>> Welcome aboard, its about time. (TRIAL & ERROR)

Ken

[catalyst]

I do believe that playing straight up numbers is the purest way to play roulette.

GLC

Dear George
some of your dozens progression could be tuned in playing sectors of 9 to 12 numbers.
thanks
catalyst

[GLC]

You're right Cat.  We can play any of the outside bets on straight up numbers and use the same progressions but it does take more units outlay per bet.  Which is okay if you can play on a table with a small enough minimum bet.

But, I was thinking that Proof's idea of 5 or 6 and less makes good sense.

Let's be realistic for a moment without denying the possibility of winning, in spite of gambler's fallacy.

If we're agreeing that numbers behave in relatively predictable patterns, once we start betting on even as small a group as a split, we are watering down the above principle unless we wait until the 2 numbers in the split both meet our criteria.

Let's say we track the 17 vertical splits.  As soon as one of them hits 3 times within a certain number of spins, let's say 38 spins, and we start betting on that split, unless both numbers have hit, we're dragging one number along with the one that's hitting more than expected.  It would be better if we said that we can't bet on a split unless it hits 4 times within 48 spins and each number has to have hit 2 times.  Now we have a bet that isn't dragging stragglers along.  Both numbers are hot (maybe).

The only reason that I can see to bet on more than 1 number is to try to decrease the number of spins between hits.  If I am betting on 1 number verses 3 numbers, I expect to get hits about 3 times more often betting the 3 numbers.  If I have enough bankroll and I apply the same reason for betting 1 number to 3 numbers, I don't think I'm hurting my odds of winning on any of the numbers and I don't have to wait as long between hits.

Right now my favorite straight up number bet is MrJ's street bet where he bets on the 3rd number if the other 2 in a street have shown using a 12 spin window.  All I do is break the wheel up into 3 number sectors and play using the same concept. 

Does the wheel method work as well as the table method.  Some will say that it doesn't matter.  Some will say that the wheel method has the advantage if it's a live table with a dealer.  F_LAT_INO will say that the wheel method will for sure work better on his airball machine.

Maybe we can't prove one way is better than another.  So each will have to decide how they want to play it.

Every time I have tested this method, I have had opportunities to quit while ahead.  I have played it twice on the airball machine in my area and won 100+ units both times.  Since Ken has said that he tested other numbers besides the 12 number window and 12 is the best number, I just go with that window size.

I recomment this system for anybody who wants an easy introduction to single number betting.

Just some random thoughts.

GLC