Does anyone have an average for this?

[MrJ]

I'm working on a kick a** method. I could do this research on my own but perhaps someone knows already. Then again, I really doubt it. lol My question being >> I need to know WHEN the average would be (how many spins) a complete street hits. Any street, in any order. Such as 17, 16, 18. I do NOT mean the three numbers hit back to back to back. Here is a true example >>

12
35
34
7
0
13
22
10
3
29
19
4
11 <<<<< So, its the 10, 11, 12 street. When does this average occure? My question is for the 0 or 00 wheel, I dont care.  Thanks,  Ken

[Bayes]

Ken,

I ran a simulation over 1 million trials - the AVERAGE was 19 spins (actually 18.80) with the MAXIMUM wait being around 70 spins, and the minimum is (obviously) 3 spins. This was for a single zero wheel.

[MrJ]

Thanks Bayes! I am a bit confused though. 70 being the max? That means within 69 spins, NOT ONE complete street hit? No way. Ken

[sherminator]

I was thinking that myself but what will happen at times is that you will keep getting the first two of a street and the third one will not come. So you could have 12 qualifiers and you are sitting waiting for one of them to complete. I can imagine at times that could take up to 70 spins to hit one of the missing numbers. Mind you it's a long shot. But we know 12 numbers can sleep for a very long time.

[MrJ]

Thats the same as a dozen (or column) not hitting for 70 spins.  Ken

[Bayes]

Thanks Bayes! I am a bit confused though. 70 being the max? That means within 69 spins, NOT ONE complete street hit? No way. Ken

It's a very rare event, but it can happen. Initially I ran the simulation over 100,000 trials and the maximum was 58-60 spins (average of 19 being the same) , increasing to 1M produced the 70. If I ran it for 100 M spins I might get a sleeper of 80 or more. I think that's what is meant by "random does not have limits". 

If you like I can generate a breakdown of the frequencies (on how many trials the wait was 3,4,5... spins).

[MrJ]

That would be great if you could, I dont want to waste a ton of your time.  Ken

[Bayes]

Ken,

Here is the breakdown over 1 M trials. Numbers in the left column are how many spins it took for a street to hit, and those in the right are how many times that wait occurred (so the total in the right hand column sums to 1 million).

The most frequent wait was actually 17, but the AVERAGE was higher because of the lack of symmetry (as you can see from the graph, there is a skew to the right).

1   0
2   0
3   1429
4   4056
5   7648
6   11811
7   17056
8   22411
9   27764
10   33428
11   38412
12   42800
13   47123
14   50008
15   52154
16   53603
17   54386
18   53616
19   52229
20   50042
21   46708
22   44217
23   40618
24   36694
25   32883
26   28745
27   25400
28   21966
29   18882
30   15961
31   13166
32   11010
33   9001
34   7241
35   5900
36   4814
37   3692
38   2964
39   2374
40   1869
41   1422
42   1112
43   849
44   645
45   467
46   343
47   276
48   233
49   137
50   113
51   94
52   68
53   38
54   31
55   24
56   18
57   12
58   11
59   9
60   4
61   5
62   1
63   1
64   3
65   1
66   0
67   0
68   0
69   0
70   0
71   1
72   0
73   1
74   0
75   0
76   0
77   0
78   0
79   0
80   0

From this you could go on to figure out the % of time you get a full street between any 2 times. e.g. it could be 80% between 10 and 40 spins (I don't know, just guessing).

[MrJ]

Very, very useful sir....THANKS a bunch!  Ken

[sherminator]

looking at them figures over the million spins, it looks like it would only have hit over 40 spins 1 time in 200 and it will hit between spin 20-40 every 1 out of 2 spins.
So is there a way to take advantage between spin 20 and 40?

[MrJ]

"So is there a way to take advantage between spin 20 and 40?" >>> Thats why I asked. My way of looking at it is a little different from the stats but the stats are indirectly involved.  Ken

[Anima-t3d]

With what software do you make the graphs?

[Bayes]

I use Gnuplot.

Maybe not the most user-friendly graphing program, but very powerful and has been around a long time.

[VLS]

There is also the charting component from Microsoft

link:://:.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=130F7986-BF49-4FE5-9CA8-910AE6EA442C&displaylang=en

Good on you for using gnuPlot Bayes, it sure is capable!

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[Kav]

I think the question needs some clarification. 
There are two ways to interpret it:

1) when a number of a street hits then we wait and see after how many spins the street is completely hit. 
(because in Mr J example the first number was a number of the street)

2) we just start throwing spins and wait to see in how many spins a (any one) street is completely hit. 

Which from the two interpretations did you Mr J care about, and which one did you Bayes researched? I guess it's probably the 1) bu it doesn't hurt to clear this up.