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Amazin

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so who's beating rng at the moment?
Apr 01, 03:10 PM 2012
Just lost all my money on BetVoyager. Before, my opinion was that all rng cheats then some members on here seem to think it deosn't because of the risk of losing their license. I believed in that because it make sense, why would any casino want to do that? Is it bit stupid?

I don't think RNG cheats by purposely change the outcome so that you lose. However, I suspect that they have a some sort of program inside that stores your bet patterns and produce numbers that go against it. I was playing a system similar to pattern 4. I was tracking 2 of the ECs and betting against it. I have 100s of spins recorded and not even once a pattern repeated itself 3 times. Here is what happened today:

LHH      EEO
LLH      EOE
HHH     EOO
LHL      EOO
LLL       EOO
LHL      EOO (At this point, I almost got busted)
LHL      EEE
HLL      EEE
HLL      EEE

If you look at the patterns carefully, it started to repeat itself over and over again. THAT IS JUST BS imo. I believe it started doing it because it started to recognise my betting patterns. Even if you were playing MV5, you would've lost on the EEEEEs.

If BV is a reputable casino and its rng can do this, I can't even imagine what other rngs can do. Any thoughts?


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Unbelivable how naive people are... not to say silly...


I think this post should be sticked to face to everyone who says RNG doesn't cheat...


Why?


Find member name boatran, look at his profile/avatar picture. Beautifull grap, you see?
Now ask him to tell you the method which produces such graph, i am sure he won't mind or charge telling you LoL.
What is the secret of that graph that every player dreams of? NO zero my friend. But we have no zero roulette, don't we. F*king darn BV no zero. So bellowed from RNG players  :love:  Fairest of them all. Its fairnes doesn't know the limits... You will be cheated by pope before BV no zero, i assure you.


Now ask yourself, is that guy so silly, not to take the method on BV no zero an won millions? ???


I can give you as many methods as you want to beat no zero roulette, all you have to do find roulette without zero. But we have such roulette!!!!!!! We can become millionares for a night.


Have you ever thought about that my friend? If not, i ll tell you that is our opportunitie. Easy as getting million dollars as in cash as a gift  8)


Regards


Drazen






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Matrix methods do not work, unless your names JL of course, on RNG or live wheels, that's your main problem, BV do not bother to track what you play as they produce your next set of numbers in advance.
 
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I suspect that they have a some sort of program inside that stores your bet patterns and produce numbers that go against it

They don't need to.
 
I don't really like showing account info but in this instance I think it would be good to show doubters it is possible to make a profit, the attached is my latest effort, you'll have to take my word for the risk involved, I am betting on 1 inside number 95% of the time, sometimes there may be 2 or 3, I have not had 4 numbers running at the same time yet, i'm using a full recovery on a win progression, you can work it out yourself, the max progression I have hit was while 3 numbers were running, each number had 18 units on them which gave a max drawdown of 1221 units, 12 euros at it's peak.
 
This is real money in a real account, Bayes can vouch for me, he knows what I am currently trying, from the screenshot you can see the attacks take place at different times and for different durations, there's a lot of tracking go on, the bets placed are 1cent chips, one of the main reasons for playing at different times and durations is to check if the results make any major fluctuations, they haven't so far.
 
I run any method through a test bot against 10,000 live real money spins that I gathered so I KNOW they are correct results, I also run the same against 4,000 live wheel results, I have said this many times before, the results are not any different against live or RNG that I have seen, and a few posts on this forum recently have shown scary events on LIVE wheels that nobody has seens so far on any RNG, and I've been doing this for years. If it passes the sniff test (test bot run of 10,000 spins) then it goes live first against play/demo mode then for real as per screenshot.
 
Why havent they picked up my betting pattern, its fairly easy to see for them.
 
Will it go t1ts up? probably at some point but I wont know until it does, if it does, it gets filed as an almost, I have plenty of almosts as do most of us.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

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Do understand the danger of playing outside bets on RNG Real Money.  I believe covering some numbers turns the wins off (and on, depending on the numbers.)  The challenge is to find which numbers do what.
 
"Who's beating RNG atm?  Ulysses of VLS that's who.  "...earlier today I won €2000 from a small €130 deposit...."
 
 http://vlsroulette.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=06848ee61e33357fd132635205dc82bb&topic=19995.15

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Just lost all my money on BetVoyager. Before, my opinion was that all rng cheats then some members on here seem to think it deosn't because of the risk of losing their license. I believed in that because it make sense, why would any casino want to do that? Is it bit silly?

I don't think RNG cheats by purposely change the outcome so that you lose. However, I suspect that they have a some sort of program inside that stores your bet patterns and produce numbers that go against it. I was playing a system similar to pattern 4. I was tracking 2 of the ECs and betting against it. I have 100s of spins recorded and not even once a pattern repeated itself 3 times. Here is what happened today:

LHH      EEO
LLH      EOE
HHH     EOO
LHL      EOO
LLL       EOO
LHL      EOO (At this point, I almost got busted)
LHL      EEE
HLL      EEE
HLL      EEE

If you look at the patterns carefully, it started to repeat itself over and over again. THAT IS JUST BS in my opinion. I believe it started doing it because it started to recognise my betting patterns. Even if you were playing MV5, you would've lost on the EEEEEs.

If BV is a reputable casino and its rng can do this, I can't even imagine what other rngs can do. Any thoughts?

--Don't believe any members that promote on line betting.
They get paid for that.
Are you aware that 70%  on line casinos are under management of Russian
mafia,ever since gambling was prohibited few years back overthere.
Those casinos are all rigged and you just CAN NOT WIN,never.

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A friend once lost at BV. After checking the random control feature it was discovered that the data did not correspond.........

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--Don't believe any members that promote on line betting.
They get paid for that.

Dude, many members here know me personally, I am not affiliated in anyway to any casino, there are many other members here who play online and have no grievence with the RNG games, but as soon as someone loses all hell breakes loose, as a recent addition to this forum you have made some vile comments to other members, maybe you should read some more threads so you can see whos who in the zoo.
 
If you prefer live wheels/watching paint dry/watching the grass grow, good for you, some of us prefer the speed of the RNG that's our preference, play where you want to play, we do.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

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superman

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A friend once lost at BV. After checking the random control feature it was discovered that the data did not correspond.........

This I find very hard to believe, a while ago, I ran a bot to grab the sha hash and check it as I wanted to see if it ever f4rted, it didn't, wait for it, someone going to think I work for BV, well I kin don't.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

amk

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Hey Superman!! How have you been.

Just saying that a friend told me this happened, it might not have but would be strange.

Honestly I like BV, good customer service and platform.

Just as a question, when your bot was running were you placing money bets?

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superman

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Just as a question, when your bot was running were you placing money bets?

Hi mate, fine as can be thanks, yes as I said in the post, real money, real account bets placed, if I didn't place any bets the bank history screenshot wouldn't show any profit/loss, although its all profit as you can clearly see.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

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vile

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I know exactly who is who in the zoo
as am much longer in this jungle then
you are.As said earlier anybody that promotes
rng and online casino must have a reason to do
so.Alibaba used to show us daily winnings with
blessings of casino management,remember????
And when they stoped payments the true story
come out.

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Amazin, if that is tha case, just pick 2 or 3 GOOD systems and randomly alternate between them. Then the so called "program" they may have, wont be able to know when you change system.

Problem is, you will much probably still loose, due to variation.  Casinos don't really need to cheat, (altough some do cheat).
"In God we trust; all others must bring data", W. Edwards Deming

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drazen_cro, are you serious?

I also miss continuously in BV NZ, and I am unable to find a winning method. :-[
 
Maybe one of the secrets its a big big bankroll.
Uno de Badajoz que pasaba por aquí.

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Robeenhuut

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Matrix methods do not work, unless your names JL of course, on RNG or live wheels, that's your main problem, BV do not bother to track what you play as they produce your next set of numbers in advance.
 
They don't need to.
 
I don't really like showing account info but in this instance I think it would be good to show doubters it is possible to make a profit, the attached is my latest effort, you'll have to take my word for the risk involved, I am betting on 1 inside number 95% of the time, sometimes there may be 2 or 3, I have not had 4 numbers running at the same time yet, i'm using a full recovery on a win progression, you can work it out yourself, the max progression I have hit was while 3 numbers were running, each number had 18 units on them which gave a max drawdown of 1221 units, 12 euros at it's peak.
 
This is real money in a real account, Bayes can vouch for me, he knows what I am currently trying, from the screenshot you can see the attacks take place at different times and for different durations, there's a lot of tracking go on, the bets placed are 1cent chips, one of the main reasons for playing at different times and durations is to check if the results make any major fluctuations, they haven't so far.
 
I run any method through a test bot against 10,000 live real money spins that I gathered so I KNOW they are correct results, I also run the same against 4,000 live wheel results, I have said this many times before, the results are not any different against live or RNG that I have seen, and a few posts on this forum recently have shown scary events on LIVE wheels that nobody has seens so far on any RNG, and I've been doing this for years. If it passes the sniff test (test bot run of 10,000 spins) then it goes live first against play/demo mode then for real as per screenshot.
 
Why haven't they picked up my betting pattern, its fairly easy to see for them.
 
Will it go t1ts up? probably at some point but I won't know until it does, if it does, it gets filed as an almost, I have plenty of almosts as do most of us.

Do you still have to bet every spin on BV? I know you can place easily bets cancelling each other and just hit repeat button?  And Amazin...  What happened to you its not unusual. E repeating itself 9 times or any pattern repeating 2 times on EC's.

I just dont comment on ongoing debate about a fairness of RNG. I dont posses enough knowledge about programming issues. I just stay away from RNG for other reasons.

Regards
Matt

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--Don't believe any members that promote on line betting.
They get paid for that.

That is not a true statement.
 
There are many of us here who are merely players of the online game (live in my case) and other than collecting our winnings, we are definitely NOT on anybody's payroll!!
 
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