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Repeat number Stats

Started by LuckoftheIrish, Jun 28, 06:07 AM 2012

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LuckoftheIrish

I have run a 30 million single zero RNG test, 361 086 games (whenever a number repeats, a new session is started)

2    9799
3    19199
4    26712
5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424
9    34613
10    30241
11    25616
12    20579
13    15855
14    11481
15    8103
16    5429
17    3428
18    2057
19    1187
20    665
21    372
22    165
23    79
24    35
25    10
26    3
27    0
28    1

MEAN        8.308740854
MEDIAN        8

Max number of spins before a repeat is 28.

Here is another chart:

SPIN    Theoretical    Actual
2    2.702702703    2.713757941
3    5.405405405    5.465331766
4    8.108108108    8.04365108
5    10.81081081    10.83876925
6    13.51351351    13.52189131
7    16.21621622    16.18831224
8    18.91891892    18.96393589
9    21.62162162    21.64408232
10    24.32432432    24.13372065
11    27.02702703    26.94577394
12    29.72972973    29.63181615
13    32.43243243    32.4432167
14    35.13513514    34.77510223
15    37.83783784    37.62886598
16    40.54054054    40.42141315
17    43.24324324    42.83929018
18    45.94594595    44.97157849
19    48.64864865    47.15931665
20    51.35135135    50
21    54.05405405    55.93984962
22    56.75675676    56.31399317
23    59.45945946    61.71875
24    62.16216216    71.42857143
25    64.86486486    71.42857143
26    67.56756757    75

The left number is the spin number before a repeat.  The least amount if 2 of course.  The next number is the theoretical percentage of hits.  The number after that is the actual based on my tests.

So for example first line:

SPIN    Theoretical    Actual
2    2.702702703    2.713757941

For spin 2 (betting 1 number, it will always be 1 less than the spin number) the theoretical percentage to hit the 1 number is 1/37 or 2.70%  The actual one in the test is 2.71%.  As you can see, the theoretical is very close to the percentage I got from the 30 million test.

What does that tell us?  It tells us that there is no simple advantage to waiting and then betting.  For example waiting for 10 unique numbers in a row, then betting for or against them.

I have been reading up on Dyksexlic's posts about this so called Pigeonhole Concept, and can not understand how he can beat every session.

In 30 million spins the max number of unique numbers was 28.  This is the progression you would need for that situation in order to profit at any spin when a repeat happens:

SPIN   BET/#
1   
2   1
3   1
4   1
5   1
6   1
7   1
8   1
9   2
10   2
11   3
12   4
13   6
14   10
15   16
16   27
17   49
18   93
19   186
20   393
21   885
22   2124
23   5461
24   15123
25   45369
26   148480
27   534528
28   2138112
29   9621504

Must be something more to it, if in fact he was telling the truth.   :thumbsup:

Master_of_pockets

"""I have been reading up on Dyksexlic's posts about this so called Pigeonhole Concept, and can not understand how he can beat every session."""


Where did u remember him? LoL
This man was a joke.
Never agrue with silly people.They will drag you down to their own level and then beat you with experience.***Mark Twain***

albertojonas

2    9799
3    19199
4    26712
5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424

9    34613

that should be your attack zone: spin 6, 7 & 8.
Could try attack after 5 unique numbers with no repeats back to back.


:thumbsup:

Skakus

Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 28, 08:27 AM 2012
2    9799
3    19199
4    26712
5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424

9    34613

that should be your attack zone: spin 6, 7 & 8.
Could try attack after 5 unique numbers with no repeats back to back.


:thumbsup:

5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424
9    34613
10   30241

This is a better zone. Should catch at least 80% of repeats here.

Be creative. :)


A ship moored in the harbour is safe, but that's not what ships are made for.

Ralph

We do not need to use a strong progression every spin, if we wait for repeated hits.

I use a method, which always grind a profit. It can theoretical lose, but I think its so rare very few will see it.

It gives very little profit, but I had never been bust for years, Play it  most on line as it is handy to repeat the bets with a button click. No time at a landbased casino to spread all the chips.

We just bet the number shown, next spin we re bet the previous with a mouse click and add the last number.

We go on until profit.  Many numbers will repeat  a few times, and you catch the first repeat.

If  we are behind when about 25 numbers are in play, we  have to decide if it is worth to continue, sometimes it can be a sleeper for hundreds of spin, and that means many repeat.

But we can decide its to risky, to gain a few, and maybe all numbers show in short time.

In more than half of the attempts we should  have a moment there it is plus from last high.

In case of a play will not land on profit, we start all over with two chips, and if a third attempt is needed we take four, we use martingale progression, but bet flat in every round.
(been up to 16 an a rare occasion).
You will need a lot of chips in case of, I recommend  2000, witch can be a bankroll from 20 to 2000
USD/Euro/sterling.

I have never lost, and done  much playing for years.  This method add up slow.
It can of course fail, but I have never seen it.


The best way to fail, is not to try!

Tomla021

interesting stuff,,, you might get some nice early wins also to help bulk up the bankroll
"No Whining, just Winning"

iggiv

it won't work. in real life repeats will deviate a lot. Like there will be times when u get them after 2-3 spins often, and there will be times when u get them after 15 spins often as well. I mean u could win if u play sometimes once in a day or a few days for many years, but u won't realistically win significally with this in a short time (unless u r lucky of course). Roulette is very tricky with this stuff.
By short time i mean like a a few months or something like this.

and progressions won't help u in a long run either.

but u don't have just to trust me, run your own tests. Just don't try it with a serious real money, u will be disappointed.

Ralph

Quote from: iggiv on Jul 12, 08:23 PM 2012
it won't work. in real life repeats will deviate a lot. Like there will be times when u get them after 2-3 spins often, and there will be times when u get them after 15 spins often as well. I mean You could win if u play sometimes once in a day or a few days for many years, but u won't realistically win significally with this in a short time (unless u r lucky of course). Roulette is very tricky with this stuff.
By short time i mean like a a few months or something like this.

and progressions won't help u in a long run either.

but u don't have just to trust me, run your own tests. Just don't try it with a serious real money, u will be disappointed.

I agree it can fail, the most hard it to decide if start again or go on. I have played it flat as well on Dublinet, and got good result. On pennies online I do progression.

Any system can fail, very easy to see, so it should not be needed to discuss, its just so. In the long run I do not play as I will be dead.  If you cover all table you will not win, if you do not do it, you can loose every spin, that's the way it is.

I never count simulations, real play counts, and I have never got bust with this method, which do not mean I never will.  Just before I answer here I decide to play it, and all went nice.

Everything else  in life is not bulletproof either!

The best way to fail, is not to try!

Ralph

I recorded my playing att NoZero BV, but never got a bader run, so for illrustration, I did not stop, at profit and went on up to more than 25 numbers, which is the risky zon, you get plenty of repeters, but the gain is lower, and if the sleepers wake upp the loss is close.

Started with 100 bankroll which is in this case 1000 units.

Put one cent on LOW, to see the first number.(won it the reason the figures ends with one).

17
32
20
28
30
7
19
9
30  100.1  Break even
29
36
28 100.91  here should we stop, but as i did not got a bad run I went on .
34
16
18
1
26
13
17  95.41
4
13 95.71
35
30 95.81
12
7  95.81 (I am not sure of the figure here)
30  97.61
7 99.41
29  101.21  (Should end here)
28  103,01  (Should end, now Russian Roulette).
2
34  102.91  Still breaking rules
18  104.61
8
15
22
32 99.81 (back on mimus)
21
7  98.71
7 99.91
7 101.11
27
17 99.91 (back on minus, still breaking rules).
18 101.11
22 102.31
25
10
19 98.41
34  99.41
11
22 97.71
9   98.61
30 99.51
15 104.01
16 104.91  (Here should by all means be end, the danger zon is here)
23
22  103.01
3    (forgot to note)
6
26  103.01
32 99.31
28 101.11
13 102.91
19 104.71
2 106.51

Stopped here as more than 25 numbers plying, and on plus.
It is ussally time to stop here anyhow as the stakes cost to winning, and risk for sleepers shows.

All games are different, even if we test 10000000, it will still be more to test.

You can test in fun mode, to know how to take decissions, but the outcome there, will not be simular as in money play, all sessions are different

The best way to fail, is not to try!

nottophammer

Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Jun 28, 06:07 AM 2012
I have run a 30 million single zero RNG test, 361 086 games (whenever a number repeats, a new session is started)

2    9799
3    19199
4    26712
5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424
9    34613
10    30241
11    25616
12    20579
13    15855
14    11481
15    8103
16    5429
17    3428
18    2057
19    1187
20    665
21    372
22    165
23    79
24    35
25    10
26    3
27    0
28    1

MEAN        8.308740854
MEDIAN        8

Max number of spins before a repeat is 28.

Here is another chart:

SPIN    Theoretical    Actual
2    2.702702703    2.713757941
3    5.405405405    5.465331766
4    8.108108108    8.04365108
5    10.81081081    10.83876925
6    13.51351351    13.52189131
7    16.21621622    16.18831224
8    18.91891892    18.96393589
9    21.62162162    21.64408232
10    24.32432432    24.13372065
11    27.02702703    26.94577394
12    29.72972973    29.63181615
13    32.43243243    32.4432167
14    35.13513514    34.77510223
15    37.83783784    37.62886598
16    40.54054054    40.42141315
17    43.24324324    42.83929018
18    45.94594595    44.97157849
19    48.64864865    47.15931665
20    51.35135135    50
21    54.05405405    55.93984962
22    56.75675676    56.31399317
23    59.45945946    61.71875
24    62.16216216    71.42857143
25    64.86486486    71.42857143
26    67.56756757    75

The left number is the spin number before a repeat.  The least amount if 2 of course.  The next number is the theoretical percentage of hits.  The number after that is the actual based on my tests.

So for example first line:

SPIN    Theoretical    Actual
2    2.702702703    2.713757941

For spin 2 (betting 1 number, it will always be 1 less than the spin number) the theoretical percentage to hit the 1 number is 1/37 or 2.70%  The actual one in the test is 2.71%.  As you can see, the theoretical is very close to the percentage I got from the 30 million test.

What does that tell us?  It tells us that there is no simple advantage to waiting and then betting.  For example waiting for 10 unique numbers in a row, then betting for or against them.

I have been reading up on Dyksexlic's posts about this so called Pigeonhole Concept, and can not understand how he can beat every session.

In 30 million spins the max number of unique numbers was 28.  This is the progression you would need for that situation in order to profit at any spin when a repeat happens:

SPIN   BET/#
1   
2   1
3   1
4   1
5   1
6   1
7   1
8   1
9   2
10   2
11   3
12   4
13   6
14   10
15   16
16   27
17   49
18   93
19   186
20   393
21   885
22   2124
23   5461
24   15123
25   45369
26   148480
27   534528
28   2138112
29   9621504

Must be something more to it, if in fact he was telling the truth.   :thumbsup:
Raymanz.
Luck of the Irish posted this way back.It shows uniques.
Now 12 unique  shows     12    20579.  In the bookies  can bet for 9 spins before max bet, thatwould be 21 unique or i've won, or the unique  after 12 which are not bet,repeat. At the moment i've only found 2 losses.
Jackpot joy is going along nicely,but early days.  Look at celsclifes numbers just posted in grassroots.
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

RouletteGhost

Surely your unique 12 takes advantage of this notto
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

link:[url="s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o"]s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o[/url]

nottophammer

How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

Roulettebeater

Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 20, 01:28 PM 2022
Been a while

notto,

Has your system finally worked and you became richer overnight ?


A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

nottophammer

Bleat-ter
Why would I tell a sarcastic shit like you
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

Roulettebeater

Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 21, 10:06 AM 2022
Bleat-ter
Why would I tell a sarcastic shit like you


Sick man  !

Why you not able to answer politely ?
It’s actually expected from a psychopathic man like you !
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

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