follow dozen with other progression

[Stepkevh]

i suppose everybody knows the "follow the dozen" method. 

i found a nice progression somewhere on the forum.

1a    2u    standard bet                    on loss always go 1 step down, on win follow "back to ..."
1b    1u    back to 1a

2a    2u    back to 1a
2b    1u    back to 2a

3a    4u    back to 1a
3b    2u    back to 3a

4a    7u    back to 1a
4b    4u    back to 4a

5a   14u   back to 1a
5b    8u    back to 5a

6a   24u   back to 1a
6b   15u   back to 6a

7a   44u   back to 1a
7b   28u   back to 7a

8a   80u   back to 1a
8b   52u   back to 8a

until now i only reached step 6b in the progression.

maybe some others will test it more

[jarabo002]

Very interesting. Thanks.


Is there any version for two dozens? Maybe GLC knows one?

[soggett]

Not bad, 288 units total
Just did a quick test, got to 7a once (13 losses with 1 win between), a total of +51 in 100 spins
not bad at all

[GLC]

This is a happy day in the life of GLC.

I love progressions and this is a new one for me too.

I will start working on double dozens using the same logic as this.

We should be able to put together progressions for all the bet locations.

Thanks so much for posting Stepkevh.

[jarabo002]

Great GLC. That's what we expected .

[warrior]

NICE ONE.

[GLC]

Not as great as I had hoped.

Here's the logic behind the single dozen progression Stepkevh posted.  We bet (1a) 2 units.  If we win we win 4 units.  If we lose we are -2 units.  Now we have to win 2 in a row.  That's 1b at 1 unit and then 1a again.

If we lose 1a and 1b, we will recover all losses plus 1 or 2 units if we win 2a.  So 2a must be large enough to recover all previous losses.  If we happen to lose our 2a bet, once again we have to win 2 times in a row to fully recover.  That's 2b and 2a.
Each level is based on that same idea.  Fully recover if win the (a) bet or if lose the (a) bet win the (b) bet plus the (a).

So you either have to win the 1st bet at the new level or if you lose the 1st bet you must win the 2nd bet and then the 1st bet to fully recover.

For double dozens the progression either must skyrocket for each level or we must win multiple times on each bet to keep the unit bet sizes manageable.

I worked out a simplified method based on double dozens.  There are many other options, but none better or worse.
1a  1-1  repeat
1b  1-1  go to 1a

2a  3-3 (2 times)  go to 1a
2b  3-3 (2 times) go to 2a

3a  9-9 (2 times) go to 1a
3b  9-9 (2 times) go to 3a

4a  27-27 (2 times) go to 1a
4b  27-27 (2 times) go to 4a

etc....

On the 1st level of 1-1 all we have to do is win 1 time to recover.  After the 1st level we have to win each bet 2 times to fully recover.  This makes sense because we are getting paid half the amount of a single dozen.

Another benefit is that if we win the (a) bet and then lose the (a) bet we drop down to the (b) bet, but we have only lost half of the (a) bet so if we win the (b) bet 2 times, we only have to win the (a) 1 time because we've already won it once.

It's even more complicated than that because if you win the (a) bet and then lose the (a) you drop down to the (b) bet.  If you also win the (b) bet and then lose the (b) bet, you don't have to drop to the next level because you will have won enough to actually be exactly where you would have been had you just lost the (a) bet so now you can re-bet the (b) bet and if you win it 2 times you can move back up to the (a) bet and if you win it 2 times, you have fully recovered and can re-set.

You will have to re-read the last paragraph a few times and write a sequence down on paper keeping track of where you are after each win and loss to understand it correctly.

Is this better than any other double dozen bet?  It's a little more convoluted, but I don't think it's going to be better.  You will have to decide that for yourself by testing it.

George

[deepred]

Maybe an unnatural dozen would have a better strike rate than just betting low-middle-high dozens. Seems like natural bets always hit the long losing streak. Just some thing to look into.   GJ

[warrior]

Maybe try the original progression at the beginning of the thread,  but on all 3 dozens they will each have there own progression,just an idea.

[Stepkevh]

hi everybody

I posted this because i wanted to see how far it gets in the progression by everyone.
For me it only got to 6b (15u)  and for sogget until 7a (44u).
I hope some other people are testing it also because i want to know if its going to break the 8b.
Otherwise i have to add another level.

@Warrior, thanks for the tip,
People that are playing on BV can try to do this on 2 dozens with there own separate progression
Because you can't bet on 3 dozens at the same time in BV, maybe in other casinos ?

Meanwhile i'm gonna try to find a progression for the double dozen.

Nobody wondered what to do with the "0" 
Its just like like a loss and bet again on the last fallen dozen

[soggett]

I figured that about the zero
If we play virtual until 4 losses then we only risk 84 units to max 6b, maybe look into that
I don't think more steps will solve anything couse of the table limits, eventually you'll hit the roof
But it is very interesting if you play on one dozen (or each dozen own progression like mentioned before)
Maybe with a better bet selection?

[GLC]

hi everybody

I posted this because i wanted to see how far it gets in the progression by everyone.
For me it only got to 6b (15u)  and for sogget until 7a (44u).
I hope some other people are testing it also because i want to know if its going to break the 8b.
Otherwise i have to add another level.

@Warrior, thanks for the tip,
People that are playing on BV can try to do this on 2 dozens with there own separate progression
Because you can't bet on 3 dozens at the same time in BV, maybe in other casinos ?

Meanwhile i'm gonna try to find a progression for the double dozen.

Nobody wondered what to do with the "0" 
Its just like like a loss and bet again on the last fallen dozen

For sure it will reach as far as your progression can go.  It's just a matter of winning enough along the way so when you have to take a loss it's not devastating.

Regarding betting all 3 dozens simultaneously, no problem.  Warrior meant that we keep a separate progression accounting for each of the dozens but since we're only betting on double dozens, we never bet all 3 at the same time.  It's just that whenever we need to bet a dozen, we put the proper units on them.

GLC

[GLC]

Thought I would post the progression for even chance bets following this same design.
1a   1
1b   1

2a   3
2b   3

3a   9
3b   9

4a   27
4b   27

5a   81
5b   81
If you lose the 2nd 81 unit bet you will be down -241 units.
Test it and you'll see that it's not a half bad progression.

As you can see it climbs at a pretty good clip when you don't have the 2:1 payoff.

[marvin]

i wonder if this is applicable to the Hybrid DC4 + PCWB tweak. ill try it later
thanks GLC!

[marvin]

i wonder if this is applicable to the Hybrid DC4 + PCWB tweak. ill try it later
thanks GLC!