CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can

[TwoCatSam]

FlAtMaN

I think you must admit I am doing my homework.  Please indulge this poor student a while longer.  Attached is an XL chart with a few questions.  I used the word "flop" when I meant "chop".  I'm tired!

Sam

[Robeenhuut]

OK. Flatman=f_lat i_no,
          You wrote:
First u did it all with increase/decrease with every bet, then in a cycle of 5 and now in a cycle of 9. Mind telling me clearly(if You know it yourself) whether you are winning in all those test samples of 10 sessions with cycle of 5 and 9 too and whether you are going to try cycles of 11 and 13 as well?

This bet wins if you catch more repeaters than chops. Saying that its better to use cycle of 9 than 5 its a case of reversed engineering. Using leveled progression instead of +1/-1 progression mainly reduces the risk of large draw downs. There will be cases that either of these approaches will work better. This is essentially EC bet and if you look for example at R/B breakdown in 300 spins there is a good chance for at least one series of 8 repeats. If you have a large BR you stand a good chance to get to your win goal. 100/1000 ratio was suggested here. 

[FlAtMaN]

OK. Flatman=f_lat i_no,
          You wrote:
First u did it all with increase/decrease with every bet, then in a cycle of 5 and now in a cycle of 9. Mind telling me clearly(if You know it yourself) whether you are winning in all those test samples of 10 sessions with cycle of 5 and 9 too and whether you are going to try cycles of 11 and 13 as well?

You sound rather intellegent/reading your past posts,but now with those ridiculous
questions I'm surprised you couldn't assume that I have been testing it with 4,5,6,7,8,9/even some more.....and come to conclusion it best works on nine....and now back question to you;
Why it show best results on nine...would you know it?---And that's is the only way of testing base bet with several variations.

[FlAtMaN]

FlAtMaN

I think you must admit I am doing my homework.  Please indulge this poor student a while longer.  Attached is an XL chart with a few questions.  I used the word "flop" when I meant "chop".  I'm tired!

Sam

--You are not a student Sam/actually we all are/but I personally know that you know more about roulete then all the forum/no insults to no one...it is just my opinion as I know Sam for years.Downloaded your numbers and be back with unswers after afternoon nap.

[trebor]

Help me please FlAtMaN,


I think this is right.

Last   Furthest
1        10
2        11
3        12
4        13
5        14
6        15
7        16
8        17
9        18      Betting on last 4 hits so we contunue betting on....


1        10
2        11
3        12
5        13
6        14      last. 13 hits so we lose and our next bet is on....
7        15
8        16
9        17
4        18


2        10
3        11
5        12
6        14      furthest. 13 hits again, so in this case we lose again
7        15
8        16
9        17
4        18
13        1


So, bear with me because I think this is where the confusion is, if a
specific number hits twice in a row while betting on furthest, in this case
13 & 13, we lose on the repeat of 13.

When you talk of winning repeats betting the furthest you mean a numbers hits
that is in the constantly updated furthest column, not a specific number.

Am I right?

Trebor

[FlAtMaN]

FlAtMaN

I think you must admit I am doing my homework.  Please indulge this poor student a while longer.  Attached is an XL chart with a few questions.  I used the word "flop" when I meant "chop".  I'm tired!

Sam

Your excel ok...and as later mentioned if 9 repeats you lost,and 9 continues as last 9,but it also be opposite situation

[TwoCatSam]

Trebor

I was playing exactly as you outlined and FlAtMaN told me I was doing it wrong.  (I made the statement that the zero and repeaters just killed me.)  From that time on, I've tried to figure out the right way.  I think--and FlAtMaN's last post to me confirms it in my mind--that FlAtMaN has his own personal "furthest".  May not be as we see it, but it's his creation.

You are right on the lasts.  Just move the four to the bottom.  As long as last is hitting, just move the hitted split to the bottom. 

With the furthest, you change your chart and put the hitted split at the bottom of the lasts and the top of the lasts at the bottom of the furthest---BUT--you continue to bet on the exact same numbers. 

If the above is not it, I'm lost again.

Sam

[FlAtMaN]

FlAtMaN

I think you must admit I am doing my homework.  Please indulge this poor student a while longer.  Attached is an XL chart with a few questions.  I used the word "flop" when I meant "chop".  I'm tired!

Sam

have tried it on excel but unsucc.
LAST 9                                                     FURTH. 9
16                                                                 1
11                                                                 4
17                                                                 6
14                                                                 7
3                                                                   9
5                                                                  10
12                                                                13
8                                                                  15
2                                                                  18--trigg. to start playing last 9
----------------------------------------------------------
16 win,--same bet
1-lost--bet furthest
9win--bet furthest
9-repeated---lost--bet last
9repeated----win--bet last......so while 9 is repeating in last 9 you always win......but when it repeats while betting furthest you lose and becomes last 9

[TwoCatSam]

FlAtMaN

I'll do your sheet in Excel and be back soon.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

FlAtMaN

Here is your first two numbers.  Tell me if I did that right.

Sam

[FlAtMaN]

Help me please FlAtMaN,


I think this is right.

Last   Furthest
1        10
2        11
3        12
4        13
5        14
6        15
7        16
8        17
9        18      Betting on last 4 hits so we contunue betting on....


1        10
2        11
3        12
5        13
6        14      last. 13 hits so we lose and our next bet is on....
7        15
8        16
9        17
4        18


2        10
3        11
5        12
6        14      furthest. 13 hits again, so in this case we lose again
7        15
8        16
9        17
4        18
13        1


So, bear with me because I think this is where the confusion is, if a
specific number hits twice in a row while betting on furthest, in this case
13 & 13, we lose on the repeat of 13.YES

When you talk of winning repeats betting the furthest you mean a numbers hits
that is in the constantly updated furthest column, not a specific number.

Am I right?
WINNING ON FURTHER REPEATS ??SPLIT MUST BE ALWAYS COMING FROM LAST 9,OR FROM FURTHEST THAT DIDN'T HIT AS YET,THATWAY LASTS OFTEN LATER BECOME FURTHEST
THEREFORE WHEN IT ROTATES THISWAY YOU ARE WINNING...once had 14 such repeaters
Trebor

[FlAtMaN]

This bet wins if you catch more repeaters than chops. Saying that its better to use cycle of 9 than 5 its a case of reversed engineering. Using leveled progression instead of +1/-1 progression mainly reduces the risk of large draw downs. There will be cases that either of these approaches will work better. This is essentially EC bet and if you look for example at R/B breakdown in 300 spins there is a good chance for at least one series of 8 repeats. If you have a large BR you stand a good chance to get to your win goal. 100/1000 ratio was suggested here.

Exactly so Rob,as I have said it relays on repeats.

[FlAtMaN]

FlAtMaN

Here is your first two numbers.  Tell me if I did that right.

Sam

HOW CAN 1 WHICH COME FROM FURTHES BE BETTING LAST 9 ??IT SHOULD AFTER 1 BET FURTHEST/COUSE IT COMES FROM THERE AND YOU FOLLOW THE LAST IN CYCLE OF NINE SPINS THAT IS WHY REPEAT IN FURTHER 9 CAN'T BE A WINNER,COMES 9/FURTHEST/WON.AND SHIFTED TO LAST 9........AND NOW COME 9 AGAIN   LOST AS YOU ARE CONTIUING BETTING FURTHEST,BUT 9 IS
NOW IN LAST 9 THAT IS WHY YOU LOST.

[FlAtMaN]

FlAtMaN

Here is your first two numbers.  Tell me if I did that right.

Sam

Sam once more.........you betting last 9........comes 1 from furthest 9...you lost,shift 1 to last 9,but due bet is further 9/not last 9/comes 9 you won on further 9,and 9 goes to last 9/must go somwhere where I agree with you/and now comes 9 again but you are still betting furthest nine,while 9 is in last 9......that is why you lost on 9.

[TwoCatSam]

I will need some time to print all this out and study it.